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Agreed. I did have a jailbroken ipad years ago but it was always too much hassle than it was worth.
The last device I jailbroke was my old iPhone 3s and if I can remember you couldn’t update apps when they came out, you had to wait for the jailbroken app to show up on Cydia. I would never jailbreak my iPad, hell I won’t even use a beta version of an iOS lol.
well you did say the only reason lol
I actually feel like I’m getting away with highway robbery most of the time I buy an app, lol. I’ve been a musician for 30 plus years and have spent THOUSANDS of dollars over the years on hardware synths , multi track recorders ,mixers , guitars basses ,drum machines fx , just gear in general and I still spend money on hardware so when I buy an IOS music app I never feel like it’s not worth what I’m paying for it. Of course there are some that have bugs etc, but even the higher priced apps are affordable compared to hardware or desktop prices.
I feel like iOS apps that aren’t music apps are worth it too, especially apps like procreate or Lumafusion.
Over all I’m just still amazed with all we have available to us on a mobile device we can take anywhere.
Great summary!
So... you're not ok with jailbreaking, but you're also totally ok with it. Gotcha.
😉😉.
I will leave it up to you to interpret the nuance there.
It's also pretty shitty of you to assume every IOS musician who jailbreaks does it to get free apps. Is that projection on your part? Since you assume that everyone who jailbreaks steals apps, then it must mean that's what you would do, too.
I'm sorry that it bothers you that I'm going to put software on a device I own so that I can make the device perform how I want it to. Assuming everyone who jailbreaks is stealing is stupid, though.
Equating jailbreaking with piracy is straight out of Apple's talking points. The jb community as a whole is strongly anti-piracy and pro-developer; jailbreaking is primarily, overwhelmingly about filesystem access and circumventing Apple's restrictions on how you're allowed to use your device. (When I click a link, I want it to open in a properly featured browser like iCab, not Apple's crippled Safari…) I don't know what percentage of jailbreakers pirate apps or IAPs, but they don't include me or anyone I know – though I don't live in [country name deleted] or [another country name deleted], where for all I know things may be different.
Tone it down guys. I made none of the assumptions @Sonicflux has suggested.
To restate:
1. jailbreaking has the potential to waste developers time. It is not as stable as standard iOS for making music. So don’t do it if you are going to ask for any app support from our music devs.
2. jailbreaking brings an opportunity for using “free apps” at the cost of the developers being unpaid. I never accused anyone of doing this, just stating that I hope musicians make sure they are buying their apps.
THIS. This is what I have a problem with. Its been a while since we’ve seen those threads but its so frustrating to see developers post a comment like “hey thats a great feature. I’ll add it when I have time”. ... and then those same developers will jump in to trying to solve a support issue with a user who ends up admitting they are running a jailbroken device. This is objectively “pretty shitty”. And this is why my original post suggested that if you jailbreak, do your own troubleshooting, or go back to standard iOS to confirm the problem before you waste a developer’s time being coy about the fact that you are on a jailbroken iOS.
[EDIT: by the way, I feel pretty bad that my comments came across as antagonistic toward anyone here on the forum. Just to be clear, my assumption is that everyone who contributes to the forum is actually pro-dev, pro- iOS music, fair and not trying to cheat, etc. seriously, no animosity at all toward anyone here. At the same time, newcomers might stumble into this thread and get the wrong idea about jailbreaking and iOS music making.]
Unfortunately it doesn’t and I don’t know why I can see and empty AudioLayer folder with no samples or instruments.
Elliott Garage new Sampler/drum Machine is on the way, with drag and drop from Files app also in AUv3 mode, I wouldn’t need to jail-brake again unless I have to backup my AudioLayer instruments.
Let’s hope al developers make it possible to access our files and the problem would be solved
Not sure about that... if the jailbreak let you do what you want, great. I’m sure it was sorted out on another forum thread here, something weird like enabling iCloud in AudioLayer, then switching to local storage... bizarre workarounds. It might be worth looking up the other Audiolayer discussions if you want to get it sorted out.
@Htmx, My sincere apologies for coming across like I did. I understand now that you weren't trying to accuse jailbreakers of pirating. Jailbreaking, in itself, won't likely cause conflicts with audio apps. Some of the tweaks might, but it's rare. I do know it has happened in the past.
JB'ing is going to happen. People want to use their devices how they want to use them. Devs have to do support for their apps for all sorts of issues that don't involve a jb. In fact, one could probably argue that changes by apple cause more trouble for devs than jailbreakers do.
Anyway, sorry for coming across harsh. It was uncalled for.
Hi, could you explain what you mean by that please. As an iOS developer I'm curious. How do you not know what your companies own developers are doing?
That depends. If you are into emulation, jailbreaking removes Apple’s imposed block on dynamic recompilation, which can greatly increase the performance of software that supports it.
When Apple is artificially limiting features on devices that support them, this is a completely valid reason to jailbreak.
E.g. I jailbroke my iPad 3 as it could technically support MFi game controllers, but Apple chose to disable this functionality and limit it to the iPad 4. A jailbreak tweak re-enabled this feature.
Many developers and their managers are hostile (either actively or passively) to the scrutiny of their app security, or feel as if it inserts a lot of friction into their development than they'd like, so they slow roll requests for help. Human nature being what it is. Jailbreaking is a way to route around that resistance and dynamically test app security.
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ah. I've not heard this term in almost 10 years. Where is the time going. I did this on the regular.
then I grew up.
I didn’t even know jailbreaking was still a thing
I know people that jailbreak their M1/M2 iPad Pro for running Windows 11 on the iPad (thru UTM)…
Jailbreaking is essential if you want to be able to use your device with reasonable customizability, efficiency and frustration-freeness. Just a few points:
Perhaps jailbreaking makes some kind of sense for people performing security checks on their own devices, but for the average user I cannot see any benefit these days. If anyone wants to make their own Apple devices more vulnerable to the myriad of attack vectors out there available for connected devices, by all means...
In my opinion (and perhaps this is already true in a legal sense), any tampering with system level software should invalidate all warranties or legal obligations from the manufacturer.
has nothing to do with us gov .. strict sandbox approach (app iself can access just own files, and even Files app can access just public document root directories of apps) is big security advatage .. There is good reason why Android is absolute spyware/malware hell - one of main reasons is much less restricted filesystem access for apps.
I hope Apple never fully opens it’s filesystem, sandboxing is good thing for security, i am glad there is near to zero chance some (government made) spyware infects my iDevice abd starts doing illicit activities across whole filesystem :-)) Which is totally easy possible on Android.
Completely agree. Governments everywhere (not just the US) keep pushing for Apple to make it easier to access the contents of their devices and Apple keeps making that more difficult to ensure the safety of user data. It doesn’t take much for a security-focused company to lose their reputation with customers when there are breaches.
No, I wasn't talking about sandboxing between apps but rather user-controlled file access from the OS level. Apple wouldn't have to open everything to let users freely access their files. I mean, you can do it anyway by making a full backup from your iDevice and then dive into its files but why go the hard way?