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  • DaveypooDaveypoo

    @RUST( i )K I know in the past you've pointed out specifically that these comments weren't directed at my videos, so I'm not offended or anything just thought I should chime in.

    I very deliberately try to keep my videos positive, but I never want to just praise an app unjustifiably. I try to take the angle of finding the good in an app as opposed to bashing it, but I hope I've been fairly plain about where I find them lacking when I do. I tend to be enthusiastic by nature, and that's what I'd like to come across in the videos.

    So yeah - I'm not going to make a video where I 100% talk $#!t about something - that's just not my style. The other extreme is 100% praise, which I hopefully don't fall into either. If I can split the difference but err on the side of positivity, I'm fine with that.

    You also have to remember - a fair amount of the reviewers are just free advertising for the developer/manufacturer. A lot of the time the YouTuber has some responsibility to them - and that's just fine. Just SAY SO in your video (as I try to make plain) and then at least everyone watches it knowing the back story...

  • mannixmannix

    @Samu said:
    Welcome to the age of 'paid &influencer focused advertisement'.

    I do get that they try to make a living on Youtube but the 'sell-out stamp' is become too painfully obvious.

    It's just 'Everything is great and every single product is super and a must have', seldom any negative comments or they will not get paid as the videos are most likely screened prior to publication...

    Especially as a youtube starter and plan to get an income out of your reviews as soon as your channel gets traction and you get free stuff for reviews it's quite difficult to not accept it and go for the "everything is perfect" attitude. As soon as you get bigger on YT and more companies start to send you more expensive stuff it's hard to even harder resist to you get the number of views. You also want the free stuff keep coming because it also means more reviews. So most channels are just infomercials instead of reviews. The larger the following the more companies are interested in the because it's quite cheap advertising. One brand that was already early aware of this was Audio Technica with there headphones and is one reason why they did sell so well. btw a company as Apple is also using big and upcoming YTers. The don't bribe with money but with exclusive access to events so you can review earlier than the competition, which means more views, etc. Give some critique on Apple products and you can shake it for the rest of your carreer. I understand why vloggers do it, but it kills honest and reliable reviews.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @Daveypoo said:
    @RUST( i )K I know in the past you've pointed out specifically that these comments weren't directed at my videos, so I'm not offended or anything just thought I should chime in.

    I very deliberately try to keep my videos positive, but I never want to just praise an app unjustifiably. I try to take the angle of finding the good in an app as opposed to bashing it, but I hope I've been fairly plain about where I find them lacking when I do. I tend to be enthusiastic by nature, and that's what I'd like to come across in the videos.

    So yeah - I'm not going to make a video where I 100% talk $#!t about something - that's just not my style. The other extreme is 100% praise, which I hopefully don't fall into either. If I can split the difference but err on the side of positivity, I'm fine with that.

    You also have to remember - a fair amount of the reviewers are just free advertising for the developer/manufacturer. A lot of the time the YouTuber has some responsibility to them - and that's just fine. Just SAY SO in your video (as I try to make plain) and then at least everyone watches it knowing the back story...

    I think I look at app vids vs hardware different for one major reason.

    Price.

    An app that doesn't pan out.....eah...$20 bucks...no biggie

    But hardware.....the price point is such it makes me want a thorough and honest look at the products if a channel says "lets try out the new ______"

    When it should say" .....______________ sent me a demo model....I hope I do a good enough video praising it that they say.....hey ______, keep that unit and just do a few more vids about it.........."

    I do agree with you.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @mannix said:

    @Samu said:
    Welcome to the age of 'paid &influencer focused advertisement'.

    I do get that they try to make a living on Youtube but the 'sell-out stamp' is become too painfully obvious.

    It's just 'Everything is great and every single product is super and a must have', seldom any negative comments or they will not get paid as the videos are most likely screened prior to publication...

    Especially as a youtube starter and plan to get an income out of your reviews as soon as your channel gets traction and you get free stuff for reviews it's quite difficult to not accept it and go for the "everything is perfect" attitude. As soon as you get bigger on YT and more companies start to send you more expensive stuff it's hard to even harder resist to you get the number of views. You also want the free stuff keep coming because it also means more reviews. So most channels are just infomercials instead of reviews. The larger the following the more companies are interested in the because it's quite cheap advertising. One brand that was already early aware of this was Audio Technica with there headphones and is one reason why they did sell so well. btw a company as Apple is also using big and upcoming YTers. The don't bribe with money but with exclusive access to events so you can review earlier than the competition, which means more views, etc. Give some critique on Apple products and you can shake it for the rest of your carreer. I understand why vloggers do it, but it kills honest and reliable reviews.

    Same with video games and many other things........

    Chrony Capitalism at its best....

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited September 2019

    I like stimming too, but to be fair whether it's software or hardware imho the buck stops with the devs. it was their decision to basically overnight turn over the responsibility of informing their customers over to everybody's nieces, nephews, uncles, and aunties on youtube.
    it is what it is, but they say it helps to free up the devs so that they can focus on the important stuff and I guess there is something to that cause hermutt Lobby does all of their own demos an they are the absolute best at demoing their apps, if somebody else was doing them we might finally have sample import in the playground app lol

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @kobamoto said:
    I like stimming too, but to be fair whether it's software or hardware imho the buck stops with the devs. it was their decision to basically overnight turn over the responsibility of informing their customers over to everybody's nieces, nephews, uncles, and aunties on youtube.
    it is what it is, but they say it helps to free up the devs so that they can focus on the important stuff and I guess there is something to that cause hermutt Lobby does all of their own demos an they are the absolute best at demoing their apps, if somebody else was doing them we might finally have sample import in the playground app lol

    You M F er.....LOL

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    If someone wants indie and trusty reviews should consider pay for them (patreon-like) before brands patronize the reviewer.
    In the end is loyalty to your patrons so that was the reason to become youtube/vlogger for the professionalized ones.
    OTOH an opinion is just that, an opinion. Buy or rant against others without an educated opinion argued by facts (almost try by yourself the gear/app/whatever) should be seen as wasted time.

    Forums are usually the ecosystem for most of these monsters :trollface:
    but feed them or not is a choice, don’t forget it...

  • mannixmannix
    edited September 2019

    @TheDubbyLabby said:
    If someone wants indie and trusty reviews should consider pay for them (patreon-like) before brands patronize the reviewer.
    In the end is loyalty to your patrons so that was the reason to become youtube/vlogger for the professionalized ones.
    OTOH an opinion is just that, an opinion. Buy or rant against others without an educated opinion argued by facts (almost try by yourself the gear/app/whatever) should be seen as wasted time.

    Forums are usually the ecosystem for most of these monsters :trollface:
    but feed them or not is a choice, don’t forget it...

    Completely true. But YT reviews and reviewers is a relative new domain. Because a lot of reviewers could be your neighbours ,so to speak, so you're sooner inclined to believe them, especially when you start follow them you feel close to them. btw aren't there YT rules that you have to tell who sponsors your video?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited September 2019

    @mannix said:
    btw aren't there YT rules that you have to tell who sponsors your video?

    IDK but reviews aren't new IMO, maybe some kind but unboxing and reviews are old af... I made even some at web blog years ago (2011) and even sponsorized-like I get myself indie and talk about bugs and lost opportunities. It was another era I suppose...

    https://www.hispasonic.com/reviews/numark-v7-x5-prueba/6847

  • auxmuxauxmux

    loopop is the best because I always learn something.

  • SimonSimon

    @RUST( i )K said:
    And not to say my opinions are not static and those opinions may have intensified or changed completely.

    In other words, this programme is a repeat.

    Sorry, it’s an “encore” thread. 😀

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @Simon said:

    @RUST( i )K said:
    And not to say my opinions are not static and those opinions may have intensified or changed completely.

    In other words, this programme is a repeat.

    Sorry, it’s an “encore” thread. 😀

    Encore.

    Encore.

    I like the sound of that. I feel like now I matter.

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @TheDubbyLabby said:
    If someone wants indie and trusty reviews should consider pay for them (patreon-like) before brands patronize the reviewer.
    In the end is loyalty to your patrons so that was the reason to become youtube/vlogger for the professionalized ones.
    OTOH an opinion is just that, an opinion. Buy or rant against others without an educated opinion argued by facts (almost try by yourself the gear/app/whatever) should be seen as wasted time.

    Forums are usually the ecosystem for most of these monsters :trollface:
    but feed them or not is a choice, don’t forget it...

    Who's post was this too?

    As far as wanting indie and trusty reviews? And having to use patron?

    Interesting side bar on the subject I am just reading through the replies and was trying to understand what you are responding to specifically?

    Thanks man!

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited September 2019

    @RUST( i )K said:

    @TheDubbyLabby said:
    If someone wants indie and trusty reviews should consider pay for them (patreon-like) before brands patronize the reviewer.
    In the end is loyalty to your patrons so that was the reason to become youtube/vlogger for the professionalized ones.
    OTOH an opinion is just that, an opinion. Buy or rant against others without an educated opinion argued by facts (almost try by yourself the gear/app/whatever) should be seen as wasted time.

    Forums are usually the ecosystem for most of these monsters :trollface:
    but feed them or not is a choice, don’t forget it...

    Who's post was this too?

    As far as wanting indie and trusty reviews? And having to use patron?

    Interesting side bar on the subject I am just reading through the replies and was trying to understand what you are responding to specifically?

    Thanks man!

    To OP. I didn’t read any specific answer but the general mood over diagonal reading. Lately I haven’t enough time and patience to sidenote threads which audiob.us has begun but I’m still emotional involved with the community as being maybe the only place with some innovative topics I still visit...

    You are welcome, mate <3

  • supadomsupadom

    I think, when money is involved it is very hard (if not impossible) for the reviewer to be unbiased. Especially when the review unit has been sent by the company. There will always be the back burner thought ‘what if they don’t send me another review unit next time and I’m out of the pond?’ etc. The signals don’t have to be very strong or obvious. Sometimes the way someone plays the instrument or the final thoughts are enough to sway many people.

    In therapy when a third person enters the room behaviour of the therapist will change no matter what. This is not to say that it is intentional.

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska

    @RUST( i )K said:
    I love my Microfreak....like a real life NAVE!

    Hi RUST(I)K, interested in that comment. I’m trying to limit myself to in-IPad tools as much as possible (finances) for my, ahem, ‘experimental dark ambient soundscaping’ (uneducated non musician noodling), but have been sorely tempted by the MicroFreak. How close would you say NAVE is to it? In your opinion can I save myself cash by getting it instead of the MicroFreak? What, other than the physical knobs and keys, which I have by other means, will I be missing out on? Thanks!

  • supadomsupadom
    edited September 2019

    @rs2000 said:
    @RUST( i )K , @audio_DT
    You are already aware of what's happening and that's a good thing.
    It's not that there aren't good reviewers on YT, usually the ones that really go into the details seem to be the most helpful when it comes to purchase decisions. Like loopop, True Cuckoo and Ricky Tinez for example. But they're the exception unfortunately, and I'm used to downloading manuals to (hopefully) get the missing details.

    And this is the way to do it. I'm not going to buy something because Jakob or Coockoo likes it but when they show me how the gear works it makes me understand whether it will work for me. This is one step short of trying it in the shop and two steps of actually owning the item.

    Making review videos is an art/skill in itself but so is making decisions wisely.

    One cannot blame the reviewer if they end up with something they didn't want.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited September 2019

    @supadom said:

    @rs2000 said:
    @RUST( i )K , @audio_DT
    You are already aware of what's happening and that's a good thing.
    It's not that there aren't good reviewers on YT, usually the ones that really go into the details seem to be the most helpful when it comes to purchase decisions. Like loopop, True Cuckoo and Ricky Tinez for example. But they're the exception unfortunately, and I'm used to downloading manuals to (hopefully) get the missing details.

    And this is the way to do it. I'm not going to buy something because Jakob or Coockoo likes it but when they show me how the gear works it makes me understand whether it will work for me. This is one step short of trying it in the shop and two steps of actually owning the item.

    Making review videos is an art/skill in itself but so is making decisions wisely.

    One cannot blame the reviewer if they end up with something they didn't want.

    But that requires take responsibility and people mostly need and excuse to justify their decisions (predetermined 99%) and someone to blame... for God’s sake!

    :rolleyes:

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @supadom said:
    I think, when money is involved it is very hard (if not impossible) for the reviewer to be unbiased. Especially when the review unit has been sent by the company. There will always be the back burner thought ‘what if they don’t send me another review unit next time and I’m out of the pond?’ etc. The signals don’t have to be very strong or obvious. Sometimes the way someone plays the instrument or the final thoughts are enough to sway many people.

    In therapy when a third person enters the room behaviour of the therapist will change no matter what. This is not to say that it is intentional.

    Great point.

    Sort of the like the whole fallacy of "reality" TV.

    The moment the cameras are present, it is no longer reality......

    Um like what is reality....LOL

  • RUST( i )KRUST( i )K

    @Svetlovska said:

    @RUST( i )K said:
    I love my Microfreak....like a real life NAVE!

    Hi RUST(I)K, interested in that comment. I’m trying to limit myself to in-IPad tools as much as possible (finances) for my, ahem, ‘experimental dark ambient soundscaping’ (uneducated non musician noodling), but have been sorely tempted by the MicroFreak. How close would you say NAVE is to it? In your opinion can I save myself cash by getting it instead of the MicroFreak? What, other than the physical knobs and keys, which I have by other means, will I be missing out on? Thanks!

    Well for one Nave allows for wave import and has the built in recorder.

    But, I think the Microfreak is the best synth buy for the money.

    It has many sound engines and a beautiful arpeggiation section along with rich presets out the box.

    I would watch Loopop vid on MF.

    IF I had limited fund and 2 purchases of hardware for someone who does ios music I would say get a MODEL SAMPLE from Electron and a Microfreak from Arturia.

    Nave is still superior for lush scapes and other things.
    I also treasure the 4 track recorder.

    Why I love ANimooog and original Addictive Synth from Virsyn.

    P me if you have any other questions friend.

    I have some preset banks for Nave floating around as well.

    Mfreak does have a unique open source format for oscillators so there may be much more to come as well.

  • SvetlovskaSvetlovska

    Thanks! I have Animoog, and it’s great, along with a shed load of other synth and sampler apps, good, bad and indifferent. Hardware wise I have a Behringer Neutron, an Arturia Keystep and an original MC202 microcomposer, and that’s it. I’ll have a look at the Model Sample.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    on the other hand we get guys like this guy, that I would know nothing about if not for the current pass the buck culture.... luv everything he does.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    edited September 2019

    @kobamoto said:
    on the other hand we get guys like this guy, that I would know nothing about if not for the current pass the buck culture.... luv everything he does.

    Love this guy. @RUST( i )K did you watch his modal samples video?

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