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miRack coming to iOS.

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  • oceansinspaceoceansinspace

    I must be zonked then as I got it and runs fine. ITs insane too! But thanks maybe I have a 5?

  • oceansinspaceoceansinspace

    iOS 13

  • oceansinspaceoceansinspace

    Ok I admit I don't even know what iPad I have now. haha wow

  • KandavuKandavu

    A combo ES-3/6 is what I have already. So I’m hopeful and invested in @mifki adding multichannel in & outs 🙏

    @mogue said:

    @ipadmusic said:
    ES-3 and some other ES modules can work as a lightpipe extension for ES-8 adding more inputs/outputs to ES-8.

    I just want to clarify here that the ES-3 works as an ADAT-to-CV output converter for any audio interface, not just as an extension for the ES-8.

    That means that for the majority of users here who already have an audio interface for their iPads, if that interface has a lightpipe port on it, the ES-3 by itself ($203) is definitely what should be purchased rather than a whole second audio interface in the ES-8 ($475). That way the existing interface can still be used in conjunction with the added CV outputs. Also you save about $300.

    If @mifki adds multichannel audio input as well, then users might be interested in adding an ES-6 ($179) to the chain (connected to their ES-3, which would be connected to their audio interface). Then you'd have the all the outputs and inputs of the ES-8 (plus two more inputs) while retaining use of your existing audio interface and still coming out ahead in price.

    That's all assuming that your existing interface doesn't already have DC-coupled inputs and/or outputs.

    The ES-8 and ES-9 are more targeted to musicians who work primarily with Eurorack and are looking for a self-contained audio interface to add to their rack.

  • ForAiurForAiur
    edited January 2020

    People talk about the ES-8 as an audio interface, but it is DC coupled so also works with CV. I‘m more interested in that part. With VCV Rack you can use LFOs on your PC coming out of ES-8 and use them in your modular. Only CVQuencer, Audulus and one other synth app supports CV out on the iPad at the moment.

    Are you planning on supporting CV out like VCV rack does? Only audio out would make Miracl a lot less useful.

  • LiquidmantisLiquidmantis

    @ForAiur said:
    People talk about the ES-8 as an audio interface, but it is DC coupled so also works with CV. I‘m more interested in that part.

    Right, that's exactly it. Many of us (or at least some of us) want CV connectivity but we don't want to replace our audio interface to do it. To use the ES-8 as your CV i/o it has to be the audio interface.

  • ForAiurForAiur

    I‘m confused. You want to use your non-DC coupled interfaces for CV? I think that won‘t work.

    Does the ES-8 already work with Mirack? What you said sounded like it.

  • moguemogue
    edited January 2020

    @ForAiur said:
    People talk about the ES-8 as an audio interface, but it is DC coupled so also works with CV.

    Audio is voltage. DC coupling allows you to send/receive a broader range of voltage than a standard audio jack. From the perspective of miRack, all that is needed for full utilization of the ES-8 is multichannel audio output. Internally, miRack and all the modules already handle samples of audio and samples of CV identically. miRack can send CV via iOS's system audio output and all will work as expected as long as you're using a DC coupled audio interface. (DC coupled audio interface = CV + audio interface)

    The ES-8 already works with miRack, but miRack's audio output module only supports two channels (stereo) so you can only output two control voltages and no audio, or one control voltage and one channel of monophonic audio, or two channels of audio. See this photo posted earlier in this thread:

    @ipadmusic said:

    @mifki said:
    So what happens if you now try using any of these modules with the stereo output miRack has?

    It uses only outputs 1 and 2 - here's the picture:

    Even if you're using the ES-8 for 8 channels of CV output and not sending any audio, it's still correct to say that you are using it as an audio interface because that's really all it is as far as iOS and miRack are concerned.

    Using an ES-3 instead of an ES-8 allows you to continue using a non-DC-coupled audio interface as the primary interface for iOS, as long as that interface has a lightpipe port. In that case, the non-DC-coupled audio interface would have expanded to gain DC coupled outputs via the ES-3, and the ES-3 would be a part of your audio interface from the perspective of iOS and miRack. There would then be additional audio output channels which happen to also be able to output CV.

  • mifkimifki

    Thanks @mogue, great explanation.

  • ForAiurForAiur

    @mogue said:

    @ForAiur said:
    People talk about the ES-8 as an audio interface, but it is DC coupled so also works with CV.

    Audio is voltage. DC coupling allows you to send/receive a broader range of voltage than a standard audio jack. From the perspective of miRack, all that is needed for full utilization of the ES-8 is multichannel audio output. Internally, miRack and all the modules already handle samples of audio and samples of CV identically. miRack can send CV via iOS's system audio output and all will work as expected as long as you're using a DC coupled audio interface. (DC coupled audio interface = CV + audio interface)

    The ES-8 already works with miRack, but miRack's audio output module only supports two channels (stereo) so you can only output two control voltages and no audio, or one control voltage and one channel of monophonic audio, or two channels of audio. See this photo posted earlier in this thread:

    @ipadmusic said:

    @mifki said:
    So what happens if you now try using any of these modules with the stereo output miRack has?

    It uses only outputs 1 and 2 - here's the picture:

    Even if you're using the ES-8 for 8 channels of CV output and not sending any audio, it's still correct to say that you are using it as an audio interface because that's really all it is as far as iOS and miRack are concerned.

    Using an ES-3 instead of an ES-8 allows you to continue using a non-DC-coupled audio interface as the primary interface for iOS, as long as that interface has a lightpipe port. In that case, the non-DC-coupled audio interface would have expanded to gain DC coupled outputs via the ES-3, and the ES-3 would be a part of your audio interface from the perspective of iOS and miRack. There would then be additional audio output channels which happen to also be able to output CV.

    VERY nice explanation! Now I get it. So as soon as they support 8 Audio out channels I can fully use the ES-8?

  • bobbfettbobbfett

    Hello, I’ve got an es-9, and I use it as my primary soundcard, plus all cv ins and outs to vcv rack and eurorack , and I luv it with 14 ins and outs. I also use the inputs for my hardware synths, I just need to add a bit gain because it’s modular level.
    If mirack would support more audio channels I would use my iPad for my whole rig, it would be the perfect portable rig. I sometimes use the iPad with AUM and Audulus,and it works ok with a bit of fiddling, but if miRack got the support I would go all in.
    I really like to use iPad sequencers and effect audio units in AUM, and send the midi to miRack and continue modulating there.
    If mirack could support more channels it would be the perfect portable rig with eurorack, just do it please, I would pay a lot more for it.
    Regards Hans

  • auxmuxauxmux

    Exactly, what @bobbfett said. Waiting for ES9 to be available, and plan to do same.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @mifki said:

    @ipadmusic said:

    @mifki said:
    So what happens if you now try using any of these modules with the stereo output miRack has?

    It uses only outputs 1 and 2 - here's the picture:

    That's expected :) But does it work ok? Just want to understand is it only about the number of channels or something else needs to be done.

    How would you present multiple inputs and outputs without breaking existing patches when the audio interface is not available?
    By i/o modules that have a number of inputs and outputs and a separate setup page in which you have something like a matrix grid to map miRack i/o ports to physical interface ports maybe? If physical ports are not available, all non-CV audio signals could then be mixed to the existing ports...

  • bobbfettbobbfett

    The solution already exists and works in vcv rack.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    @bobbfett said:
    The solution already exists and works in vcv rack.

    I believe there is a multi-out audio module, so existing patches won't break since those use the stereo out module.

  • bobbfettbobbfett

    If it would work as vcv with an extra audio module with multiple ins and outs, where you can select your sound card. Then it’s up to you how you rout things to the correct channel, and when you unplug you rout the outputs back to the 2 port sound module. So what we need is more sound modules.

  • bobbfettbobbfett

    @auxmux said:
    Exactly, what @bobbfett said. Waiting for ES9 to be available, and plan to do same.

    Hot tip when you get the es-9, don’t plug the main balanced out directly to your monitors without attenuation. I did it in all my noob ness, and fed euro levels, and nearly blew my ears. Now I have a jbl Nanopatch passive volume control in between, and lowered the volume in the es-9 internal mixer.
    You would probably not do the same mistake, just wanted to share mine so no one else blow their ears.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    @bobbfett said:

    @auxmux said:
    Exactly, what @bobbfett said. Waiting for ES9 to be available, and plan to do same.

    Hot tip when you get the es-9, don’t plug the main balanced out directly to your monitors without attenuation. I did it in all my noob ness, and fed euro levels, and nearly blew my ears. Now I have a jbl Nanopatch passive volume control in between, and lowered the volume in the es-9 internal mixer.
    You would probably not do the same mistake, just wanted to share mine so no one else blow their ears.

    No, I would. LOL. Thanks for the heads up!

  • bobbfettbobbfett
    edited February 2020

    Sidenote, if you do more channels, please make it 16 channels so it supports es-9 as well. The es-9 uses channels 9-16 for cv out, and 1-8 for main balanced out, headphones and spdif, es-5.
    It would be amazing.
    Regards Hans

  • paradiddleparadiddle

    waiting for the es-9 :)

  • LiquidmantisLiquidmantis

    Oh, man! I'm glad I haven't picked up the ES-8 yet as the ES-9 looks great for my needs.

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