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miRack by mifki Limited - Live!!!

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  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence
    edited September 2020

    @wim @Gravitas

    I’ve done 4 stepped tempo changes, with 5 minutes intervals. Start at 120>75>145>30>120.
    AUM metronome (L) against CLOCKED driven 808 Rim/Claves (R).
    I don’t know if relevant
    iPad Air3 13.7 / no audio interface / AUM 48kHz 512 buffer size
    5 audio clips were recorded from headphone out for each method (start + 4 tempo changes)
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/2xjbnous5hg74pd/BPM.zip?dl=0
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/3pakjrk6mnqwzt5/CLOCK .zip?dl=0

    Wanted to make some screenshots but to make a point it would require so many at various zoom levels so decided against it. Better to hear and look at it for yourself.

    @wim
    You were spot on.
    My takeaway is that if I were to do a live set with tempo changes I would figure out a way to combine them.

    edit:
    CPU was basically the same in both cases. 2-4%... not a single peaks around tempo changes... seemed like it only moved from 2% because of the UI interaction (changing bpm).

  • wimwim

    Thanks for doing all that testing. It's always better to gather objective data. I usually start with the "objective" assumption that I'm always right and don't take it any farther. :D

  • GravitasGravitas

    @0tolerance4silence @wim

    Thank you both.

    @wim said:
    Thanks for doing all that testing. It's always better to gather objective data. I usually start with the "objective" assumption that I'm always right and don't take it any farther. :D

    Lololol this made me smile. :)

  • 0tolerance4silence0tolerance4silence

    🤣

  • SynthiSynthi

    @mifki its possible to add some more cable colors please???

  • aleyasaleyas
    edited September 2020

    Earlier in the thread someone suggested initial drag direction as a possible method for selecting cable color. I think that would be a great way to support 8 cable colors. (Left, right, up, down, and the 4 in betweens)

    @Synthi said:
    @mifki its possible to add some more cable colors please???

  • mifkimifki

    @aleyas said:
    Earlier in the thread someone suggested initial drag direction as a possible method for selecting cable color. I think that would be a great way to support 8 cable colors. (Left, right, up, down, and the 4 in betweens)

    @Synthi said:
    @mifki its possible to add some more cable colors please???

    Hm I missed that, interesting idea.

  • dendydendy
    edited September 2020

    @mifki said:

    @aleyas said:
    Earlier in the thread someone suggested initial drag direction as a possible method for selecting cable color. I think that would be a great way to support 8 cable colors. (Left, right, up, down, and the 4 in betweens)

    @Synthi said:
    @mifki its possible to add some more cable colors please???

    Hm I missed that, interesting idea.

    i can see it a bit improved - after initial drag, circle color picker appears around connector - as soon as you enter some color area with dragged cable, it switches to this color (i mean cable). As soon as you leave outer cicle, color picker disappears ...

  • Instrumental_reasonInstrumental_reason

    Agree on more colors being useful !

    Another argument is that Chris Meyer in his quite useful book (with Kim Bjørn) and his learningmodular.com courses uses a system with
    white/grey for v/oct,
    blue for modulation,
    green for clock,
    red for gates and
    yellow for audio,

    which seems like a tidy system for color-coding. But to implement it we would need at least an additional cable colour (the white/grey one). and as others have suggested, a intentional way of selecting color would be really nice as well.

    In case you are interrested the book is here
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1795693416/patch-and-tweak-exploring-modular-synthesis
    and his courses can be previewed with a trial membership on "linkedin learning".

  • desdes

    I would like to see a few more colors. I try to use each color for specific functions though for audio, since there are stereo options, I like to use green and red (green if its a mono signal). Then yellow for clocks, gates, command signals like reset, and blue for CV. A few more colors would definitely be handy. As for selecting which color, I’m ok with the current method...I do a ‘tap - small slide’ to see which color comes up and when I see the one I’m looking for I continue to drag it to the destination. The colors cycle thru so it doesn’t take long. However adding many more colors would make this method considerably less efficient. The idea of an initial direction would be a good solution for this.

  • GravitasGravitas
    edited September 2020

    Okay, here's another basic question.

    I've connected up the Modal synth module with the Basic Midi module.

    I'm getting sound, it changes frequency as I play it using my
    midi keyboard but it inverts the velocity for some reason.

    When I play quietly it plays loud, when I play loud it plays quietly.

    Is this expected?

    What do I do to make it respond to velocity correctly?

    Thank you in advance.

    Edit.

    Here's the screenshot.

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @Gravitas said:
    Okay, here's another basic question.

    I've connected up the Modal synth module with the Basic Midi module.

    I'm getting sound, it changes frequency as I play it using my
    midi keyboard but it inverts the velocity for some reason.

    When I play quietly it plays loud, when I play loud it plays quietly.

    Is this expected?

    What do I do to make it respond to velocity correctly?

    Thank you in advance.

    Edit.

    Here's the screenshot.

    Does the same on mine. Have the velocity control the volume with a dual vca after the synth module.

  • GravitasGravitas

    @Jocphone

    Thanks for confirming this.

    I was thinking to try to invert the signal in some way
    as the inbuilt tone changes according to velocity.

    Still, if it isn't possible then a dual vca is the way.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    According to the manual, the Strength input isn't exactly a volume parameter, and more importantly, it's bipolar whereas midi velocity is not:

    1. STRENGTH CV input. This CV input works as a VCA amplifying or attenuating the excitation signal. A positive CV will boost the signal, a negative CV will attenuate it. The scale is 3dB/V, with a maximum attenuation/gain of +/- 15dB.

    So, it's only amplifying the excitation signal, not the overall volume to begin with. But also, midi velocity output is 0V - 10V, or 0 - 30dB, when it would need to be -5V to 5V to work as expected, I think, but as mentioned, would only affect the strength of the excitation signal.

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @Gravitas said:
    @Jocphone

    Thanks for confirming this.

    I was thinking to try to invert the signal in some way
    as the inbuilt tone changes according to velocity.

    Still, if it isn't possible then a dual vca is the way.

    @mifki any chance the strength input on the Audible Instruments Modal Synthesizer is inverted?

    I read the manual entry for the real thing but it appears to work opposite to what @Gravitas and I would expect when fed with a velocity signal.

  • GravitasGravitas

    Okay, I've got Ableton Link working now.

    It has been the most consistent so far.

    I'm going to give another couple of days of testing
    but after twenty minutes it's holding really well where
    as with host sync it would've skipped a beat by now.

  • mifkimifki
    edited September 2020

    @Jocphone said:

    @Gravitas said:
    @Jocphone

    Thanks for confirming this.

    I was thinking to try to invert the signal in some way
    as the inbuilt tone changes according to velocity.

    Still, if it isn't possible then a dual vca is the way.

    @mifki any chance the strength input on the Audible Instruments Modal Synthesizer is inverted?

    I read the manual entry for the real thing but it appears to work opposite to what @Gravitas and I would expect when fed with a velocity signal.

    Hm it is indeed inverted, but the original Mutable Instruments code seems to be doing exactly the same. I need to do some research to see what's going on there.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2020

    @mifki said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @Gravitas said:
    @Jocphone

    Thanks for confirming this.

    I was thinking to try to invert the signal in some way
    as the inbuilt tone changes according to velocity.

    Still, if it isn't possible then a dual vca is the way.

    @mifki any chance the strength input on the Audible Instruments Modal Synthesizer is inverted?

    I read the manual entry for the real thing but it appears to work opposite to what @Gravitas and I would expect when fed with a velocity signal.

    Hm it is indeed inverted, but the original Mutable Instruments code seems to be doing exactly the same. I need to do some research to see what's going on there.

    How does velocity output, which goes from 0V to 10V map to an input that goes from -5V to +5V?

    1. STRENGTH CV input. This CV input works as a VCA amplifying or attenuating the excitation signal. A positive CV will boost the signal, a negative CV will attenuate it. The scale is 3dB/V, with a maximum attenuation/gain of +/- 15dB.
  • mifkimifki

    I don't know, from the Mutable Instruments code, I can't see how it can do what the docs say. For now, just use something like this to achieve the correct behaviour:

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @mifki said:
    I don't know, from the Mutable Instruments code, I can't see how it can do what the docs say. For now, just use something like this to achieve the correct behaviour:

    Could it be that we are misinterpreting what the docs say the strength input is for?

    Either that or this defect has always existed in the opens source code and needs correcting for all implementations? Seems unlikely as Mutable Instruments code has been quite popular.

  • GravitasGravitas

    @mifki said:
    I don't know, from the Mutable Instruments code, I can't see how it can do what the docs say. For now, just use something like this to achieve the correct behaviour:

    Thanks for this.

  • mifkimifki

    I think I see what's wrong there. I'll fix it I guess, even though it might break existing patches...

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @mifki said:
    I think I see what's wrong there. I'll fix it I guess, even though it might break existing patches...

    If it's doing the wrong thing it should be fixed I think. Wouldn't have thought there would be a number massive number of people using it if it only just came out that it was inverted.

  • craftycuratecraftycurate
    edited September 2020

    @wim said:
    A tip jar is definitely in order.
    I also try to contribute to the module developers when I can. They’re partners in this in every way as well.

    +1 Was just wondering if there is a tip jar.

  • wimwim

    @craftycurate said:

    @wim said:
    A tip jar is definitely in order.
    I also try to contribute to the module developers when I can. They’re partners in this in every way as well.

    +1 Was just wondering if there is a tip jar.

    Most module developers I've seen have some sort of way of contributing if you check their web sites.

  • GravitasGravitas

    @mifki

    I've encountered a couple of bugs.

    Where do I send the info?
    Via here or via email?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Downloaded miRack earlier this week and am having a great time with it so far, but am I completely missing something or is there no way to display/input parameter values?

  • GravitasGravitas

    @shortsadvocate said:
    Downloaded miRack earlier this week and am having a great time with it so far, but am I completely missing something or is there no way to display/input parameter values?

    I hear you.
    Have a look in the utility section?

    There maybe something there that you need.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @Gravitas said:

    @shortsadvocate said:
    Downloaded miRack earlier this week and am having a great time with it so far, but am I completely missing something or is there no way to display/input parameter values?

    I hear you.
    Have a look in the utility section?

    There maybe something there that you need.

    Ah, thanks, that’s something. Though it’d be ideal to have (for example) long-press automatically display a value input box.

  • GravitasGravitas

    @shortsadvocate

    I think it's like that by design.

    It is emulating analogue equipment after all.

    I'm quite new to it myself so I'm learning as well.

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