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Why are they still called DAWs?

Show me one that isn’t digital.

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  • @u0421793 said:
    Show me one that isn’t digital.

    Are you suggesting they drop the D in favor of being called Aws?

    If they are in fact all Digital, why wouldn’t it be their first name? Makes more sense than your first name I bet? Certainly mine. I don’t think my first name is relevant to any real feature of my being. Just some shit my parents were diggin.lol

    One could argue that DAW, may in fact be among the most thoroughly relevant and well assigned names ever.

  • edited October 2019

    @WillieNegus said:

    @u0421793 said:
    Show me one that isn’t digital.

    Are you suggesting they drop the D in favor of being called Aws?

    If they are in fact all Digital, why wouldn’t it be their first name? Makes more sense than your first name I bet? Certainly mine. I don’t think my first name is relevant to any real feature of my being. Just some shit my parents were diggin.lol

    One could argue that DAW, may in fact be among the most thoroughly relevant and well assigned names ever.

    😂 agreed. DAW is the perfect acronym for ‘digital audio workstation’.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2019

    If you just called it an Audio Workstation, that would imply it should be able to process non-digital audio as well.

  • I think the use of the term 'DAW' is pretty limited, but it's a lot easier than 'Digital multitrack recorder and editor which may also include software modelled synthesisers, MIDI recording and editing, and software modelled audio effects'.

    Why do people still refer to 'filming' and 'taping'?

  • Workstation sounds fucking depressing.

  • @AudioGus said:
    Workstation sounds fucking depressing.

    First the D now the W? Beef’n with the dub? I mean, I wouldn’t hate Digital Audio Funstation but DAF?😬.

    “What DAF you rock with bro?”🤔🤨

  • I prefer military naming conventions. Should be: Workstation, Audio, Digital - WAD.

  • Everyone is #dawless now so it doesn't matter. ;)

  • @u0421793 said:
    Show me one that isn’t digital.

    ATR reel to reel decks. This is why we get the “D” in DAW. Prior to the 90’s everything was done on tape. It’s a holdover from the era when digital technology usurped analog recording.

  • Why doesn’t (M)idi get any love? Asking for a friend who wants to know why not DAMM (Digital Audio Midi Machine)?

  • Fruity Loops Audio Workstation is a FLAW?

  • @jolico said:
    Fruity Loops Audio Workstation is a FLAW?

    As a dedicated Logic user I must say yeah but I hear good things about it despite its imperfections.

  • ATR reel to reel decks. This is why we get the “D” in DAW. Prior to the 90’s everything was done on tape. It’s a holdover from the era when digital technology usurped analog recording.

    'Workstation' was often used as a term for 'the computer I bought for work, not for playing Leisure Suit Larry on'.
    At one point I remember someone referring to any machine with an HDD being a workstation as it meant you could actually do stuff, rather than have to hunt through floppy disks (or cassette tapes) before giving up and doing something else.

  • @pauly said:

    ATR reel to reel decks. This is why we get the “D” in DAW. Prior to the 90’s everything was done on tape. It’s a holdover from the era when digital technology usurped analog recording.


    'Workstation' was often used as a term for 'the computer I bought for work, not for playing Leisure Suit Larry on'.
    At one point I remember someone referring to any machine with an HDD being a workstation as it meant you could actually do stuff, rather than have to hunt through floppy disks (or cassette tapes) before giving up and doing something else.

    Also for some kind of keyboards with lots of features back in the day referred as Music Workstations most of them being arrangers and some with audio backing tracks... it was messy then and it's still messy today...

    I will renamed it to Linear AudioMidi recorders, non-linear... since the tape paradigm was broke with Mod Trackers and hardware samplers first and lastly with Ableton Live grid approach.

    About digital vs analog... who cares? I will love to see a non-linear analog sampler or player (nearest could be a turntable or mellotron) since it's a field interesting as medium (non-digital).

  • It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

  • @McD said:
    It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

    Makes a lot of sense but I couldn’t get behind VMC because I’m linguistically lazy and you can’t make a one syllable word out of it. I assume everyone says DAW vs D.A.W although I have met a few difficult folks who do that. Ughhhh.

  • I'm still trying to figure out the correct way to pronounce "data." When I was a kid my dad worked for IBM. I remember him telling me that he and his people couldn't figure out the right way to say it.

    Anyway, I think "Digital Audio WONKstation" works best for me.

  • edited October 2019

    @McD said:
    It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

    Agreed. In fact I don't use DAW word, just Garage or Logic or Ableton... so I suppose this is related to people talking about tools instead talking about using them.

    I should go and open one of my old Future Music magazines to start crying with nostalgia...

  • We could call them aaw, Analog audio workstation but that would just be gear in a room creating music , not really a workstation

  • edited October 2019

    Nanostudio is called in AppStore description "Music production enviroment" .. we were discussing a lot about description and this definition in particular ( mostly because of lack of audio tracks Matt wanted fo avoid using any variation of "DAW").

    At the end - i like this definition, i think it will be perfect even after audio tracks will be added.. it simply and perfectly describes purpose of this kind of apps ...

    Just shortuct "MPE" is already used for something else :)

  • @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @McD said:
    It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

    Agreed. In fact I don't use DAW word, just Garage or Logic or Ableton... so I suppose this is related to people talking about tools instead talking about using them.

    I should go and open one of my old Future Music magazines to start crying with nostalgia...

    Ahhh, i remember 2018...

    https://archive.org/details/futuremusicapril2018

  • In use, it's not a very precise term or acronym. People use it for apps that don't even have proper audio tracks.

    I think Digital Music Recording Studio sort of covers it, and then one can look to see what the app actually does. It's a virtual music recording studio with the power of digital audio manipulation, which I like to call VMRSWTPODAM, or just DAW, which is easy to say, and we get the gist of it. :)

  • @AudioGus said:

    @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @McD said:
    It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

    Agreed. In fact I don't use DAW word, just Garage or Logic or Ableton... so I suppose this is related to people talking about tools instead talking about using them.

    I should go and open one of my old Future Music magazines to start crying with nostalgia...

    Ahhh, i remember 2018...

    https://archive.org/details/futuremusicapril2018

    I was talking about workstations...

    The definitive workstation?

    Children is from 1994... just the year I started computer production with Fasttracker and buying these magazines...
    :cry:

  • Puts me in mind of the fuss I caused when I tried to plug a guitar lead into a jackdaw.
    (Hey, it’s a jack lead. What’s the problem?...)

  • edited October 2019

    @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @McD said:
    It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

    Agreed. In fact I don't use DAW word, just Garage or Logic or Ableton... so I suppose this is related to people talking about tools instead talking about using them.

    I should go and open one of my old Future Music magazines to start crying with nostalgia...

    Ahhh, i remember 2018...

    https://archive.org/details/futuremusicapril2018

    I was talking about workstations...

    The definitive workstation?

    Children is from 1994... just the year I started computer production with Fasttracker and buying these magazines...
    :cry:

    Ahh Fasttracker on my Gravis Ultrasound card. Was fun for a bit.

  • edited October 2019

    @AudioGus said:

    @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @McD said:
    It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

    Agreed. In fact I don't use DAW word, just Garage or Logic or Ableton... so I suppose this is related to people talking about tools instead talking about using them.

    I should go and open one of my old Future Music magazines to start crying with nostalgia...

    Ahhh, i remember 2018...

    https://archive.org/details/futuremusicapril2018

    I was talking about workstations...

    The definitive workstation?

    Children is from 1994... just the year I started computer production with Fasttracker and buying these magazines...
    :cry:

    Ahh Fasttracker on my Gravis Ultrasound card. Was fun for a bit.

    ...also Cubic Player using the GUS patches to play midi files and visualizations from Demoscene
    Ballad for windows some time later (well windows itself :lol:) and over 1997-98 Fruity Loops...

    I'm feeling old and tired (but let me say that BlocsWave was (and is) the nearest feeling to that era (Fruity Slicer <3) and that's why I still kept my iPad (and GTL too))

  • edited October 2019

    @TheDubbyLabby said:
    Children is from 1994... just the year I started computer production with Fasttracker and buying these magazines...
    :cry:

    Yeah !! Me too !! Still remembering issues with reviews of Waldorf Microwave XT, Supernova or JP8080 ... hell i think i even still have them somewhere in some box which i didn't opened maybe for 20 years :)))

    Now, we live in future. Nobody even dreamed back then about such things like iPads and about music apps we can run on phone !!

  • @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @TheDubbyLabby said:

    @McD said:
    It takes time for the new paradigm to get it's own name rather than a reference to the prior paradigm:

    horseless carriage -> automobile
    wireless -> radio

    So DAW references the prior audio workstations as becoming computerized.

    Virtual Console works for me. As a Three Letter Acronym I'd use VMC... Virtual Music
    Console. Just my attempt to coin a new TLA.

    Agreed. In fact I don't use DAW word, just Garage or Logic or Ableton... so I suppose this is related to people talking about tools instead talking about using them.

    I should go and open one of my old Future Music magazines to start crying with nostalgia...

    Ahhh, i remember 2018...

    https://archive.org/details/futuremusicapril2018

    I was talking about workstations...

    The definitive workstation?

    Children is from 1994... just the year I started computer production with Fasttracker and buying these magazines...
    :cry:

    Ahh Fasttracker on my Gravis Ultrasound card. Was fun for a bit.

    ...also Cubic Player using the GUS patches to play midi files and visualizations from Demoscene
    Ballad for windows some time later (well windows itself :lol:) and over 1997-98 Fruity Loops...

    I'm feeling old and tired (but let me say that BlocsWave was (and is) the nearest feeling to that era (Fruity Slicer <3) and that's why I still kept my iPad (and GTL too))

    For me BM3 captures the tracker thing well. Lately i started sending midi/start stop from Renoise into BM3, very nice. Ever mess with Renoise?

  • @WillieNegus said:
    Makes a lot of sense but I couldn’t get behind VMC because I’m linguistically lazy and you can’t make a one syllable word out of it.

    How about Mobile Audio Environment in a single syllable word MAE.
    Then we could chant: AUM Many PODs MAE AUM.

    Mutha, MAE I.

    "MAE Be, I'm a MAE-zed at the way you really love me"

    I persist. It's catchy right?
    What's your favorite MAE? Duh, AUM, Many PODs MAE AUM.

  • @McD said:

    @WillieNegus said:
    Makes a lot of sense but I couldn’t get behind VMC because I’m linguistically lazy and you can’t make a one syllable word out of it.

    How about Mobile Audio Environment in a single syllable word MAE.
    Then we could chant: AUM Many PODs MAE AUM.

    Mutha, MAE I.

    "MAE Be, I'm a MAE-zed at the way you really love me"

    I persist. It's catchy right?
    What's your favorite MAE? Duh, AUM, Many PODs MAE AUM.

    Lmao. I actually dig it. At first it sounds like a possible separation between traditional desktop and mobile environments which could be a great thing in of itself. If nothing else that seperation could eliminate some ios vs desktop flame wars around here. However, with more thought...all DAWs would be MAEs as they’re all on laptops which are in fact, Mobile devices. Still dig it.

    But, I still don’t understand the beef with DAW.lol

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