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AUM or AB3?
I own both
Both to me have the same function..
AUM has better visuals..
But i like how AB3 differentiates between midi and audio
But is there a feature comparrison between the 2?
When would you use AB3, when AUM?
I use them mostly as a patch pannel and mixer..
Connecting software and hardware..
When is it better to use AB or AUM?
Comments
Both.
If you need to send busses to an app’s input from AUM, you’re going to need AB.
If you want midi control over iaa app switching you’ll need AB.
Hilariously I have AB loaded in my current live setup ONLY for midi switching between iaa apps. 😂
I use AUM and not yet needed AB.
If you use IAA/Audiobus-enabled apps, Audiobus' floating palette makes workflow great. I often use AB3 and AUM. AUM for the bus architecture and AB3 for app navigation and routing.
AB3 can also be useful for working around limitations in apps that don't record the output of AU midi effects.
AB3 also has more clock/sync options and can help centralize sync management.
If you use Loopy with anything but mic input , AB3 is essential.
AB3 has its own MIDI environment, securely locked away from VM. AUM uses VM which is accessible by more apps. I use AB3 to process MIDI fx securely, the result of my fx chain is fed to VM thru AB3’s VM out port.
Currently trying to replicate my AB3 setup in AUM, finding it difficult to have apps listen as clearly as in my AB3 setup.
AB3’s connection lanes are way more direct and secure.
For me, AB3 covers the very few areas in iOS BM3 doesn’t...never got around to exploring why id need AUM although it looks cool.
As noted, AUM has a bussing architecture so you can do much more sophisticated audio routing.
AUM can record the output of every channel, useful for making stems, freezing a CPU-heavy track, etc.
AUM can open AUs as resizable windows so you can have several open at once.
AB is much better for IAA apps, especially since most of the good ones have AB extensions like StateSaving and AB slideover panel / AB Remote triggers.
Despite IAA being deprecated, there are plenty of excellent IAA apps that are still well worth using.
Not to muddy the waters, but there’s also apeMatrix.
apeMatrix, as the name implies, uses a matrix for connectivity, rather than channels. This makes it very useful for setting up complex routings that are clearly visible in a small amount of screen area. It can, for some, make it a bit harder to parse out exactly what's happening, YMMV.
Partially because of its matrix design, it can't record stems to the same degree as AUM. You can only record the output of each of the 3 matrices rather than the final output of every terminating app (aka a channel in AUM).
The major plus to apeMatix is that like all apeSoft / Amazing Noises apps it has insane, built-in modulation capabilities (you can add an LFO to every parameter).
Like many, I run all three; IAA apps (including AUM) hosted in AB for StateSaving and the side panel, and AUs hosted in AUM for the superior audio routing and stem recording. These two are the basis for every project.
ApeMatrix I treat as its own playground for crazy modulations; sort of like a modular synth. I'll plug this into AB (as it can be hosted like AUM) when I need that wackiness.
AUM is brilliant - intuitive, works with everything, and the workflow is top notch, too. I’d love it if it were a bit more of a proper sequencer, but we do now have ATOM that partially fulfils the role. And AUM is unbeatable for just starting a noodle very quickly.
Both!
Open AB(2)
Open Loopy in output.
Open AUM in input slots
Open AUM.
AUM incoming Audio from hardware/interface and AU FX with LOOPY as output.
Use AB remote enabled apps in AB and other apps in AUM.
I gravitate to Audiobus as the hub of everything more and more every day. Originally coming from the desktop I just couldn’t conceive of the “one app on the screen at a time” thing being workable. So AUM was the natural choice ... I thought. But over time I’ve realized I just do not like “window diving” on the iPad form factor. I’m constantly moving windows out of the way of the channel controls, the metronome controls, looking for some empty screen space to scroll the interface to get to the channel I want ... it becomes just no fun for me.
So, I’ve circled back to realizing that one app on screen at a time is a necessary compromise for me. Having the AB app switcher and transport controls right at hand is what makes that livable. Almost always in one glance (or one glance + some scrolling of the app switcher), and one or two taps, I can always get where I want in a view and size that I expect. I do add AUM for better mixing and bussing capability most times, but I try to keep as many apps as possible hosted in AB rather than AUM.
Don’t get me wrong, AUM has certain capabilities that surpass AB, and I can see for lots of people it just makes sense to be in that environment. I’m only speaking for my own preferences.
The things that would boost Audiobus even more for me (In order of importance to me):
It would be nice to rearrange tracks, have AB sends, and a master bus with meter and fx slots.
I also agree wih all the points above.
Same here...AB for Standalone Apps because of statesafe and easy App switching...audio routing to AUM...all AUs & Midi Apps in AUM
Did not know AUM was aware of a timeline, and not sure if I understand this correctly. Can please explain if the following is true?
I currently record multiple channels from AUM into audioshare by enabling the record on all the channels and pressing AUM transport record. Hence recording all the silence on the channels as well during the performance
I wish I could host Audiobus inside Aum like I host Apematrix inside Aum.
No, not really, if I understand your question correctly. You can send midi commands to start and stop recording, but then you would need to load that recording into file player channel, and then send midi commands at the right time to trigger playback. It’s not like a DAW at all, but such things are possible with considerably more setup and work.
If you describe a little more clearly what you’re trying to do I’m sure many can give more specific suggestions. It comes down to sending MIDI Commands to start recording and playback when you want those things to happen. You could do this from a sequencer such as Atom Piano Roll or LK.
They wouldn’t know. You would need to place the clips in the right places on the timeline in Cubasis or Auria Pro manually. You’re probably better off just recording the full-length stems, or recording directly in those DAWs.
@wim Wow, I didn't know that. How do you make AUM send SPP and how can I "scroll" on the timeline of beats and bars? All I can see is MIDI status and clock messages and AUv3 plugins that don't follow the beat position in AUM.
Send SPP?? I didn’t ever say that, did I? If I did then I must have been high.
You can scroll on the timeline by swiping left and right over the transport controls area.
Why? I’m curious.
Thanks! And sorry, must have been my own wishful interpretation 😁
Anyway, which AUv3 plugins support that? Tried with LK and Fugue machine and they don't seem to be linked to that "timeline".
I don’t really know. Never make use of it. I think the file player does. There’s a beat offset you can make use of there.
One of my continuous mix setups within Aum involves hosting Apematrix. The drums and per union are inside Aum while all synths and melodic content are in Apematrix. So I could change the melodic content while the beat is playing.
Ummk. I don’t get how that relates to hosting AudioBus in AUM. But nvm.
You know you can host AUM (and Ape Matrix too) in Audiobus, right?
AUM:
Audio routing (buses)
IAA loading consistency
Better monitoring latency
Audiobus:
Flexible clock settings (offset)
Clock slave
App switching sidebar
Loopy HD integration
I personally use Audiobus because of the 4 points above. I use AUM for some task but when playing live AB3 comes on top for me.
Audiobus unfortunately was never stable for me. Whenever I tried it led to frustration sadly.
But hosting ApeMatrix in Aum is stable and useful for me.
What i try to avoid is cpu spikes and lags when switching between apps. Might just need the latest Air for that. My 2018 iPad might be not too strong for that.
Did you report your issues to @Michael? Is it possible it was the apps you were hosting that weren’t stable rather than Audiobus?
Michael is pretty responsive in tracking down AB bugs reported to him.
No I did not report =/. I should have.
It all works well in Aum so I just find alternatives to my favorites non Auv3 apps.