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Blocs wave v Launchpad - which is best?
I couldn't see an answer on the forum, after doing a quick search. I want one of these apps to play my AUM jams (exported as looped samples) live. Which do you think is best for this? I'm not interested in the add-on sample packs, so that's not really a consideration. I've downloaded both free versions and, from what I can tell, Launchpad seems a bit better. But I've only messed around with each for a short while and haven't yet downloaded the 'pro' features of either. Both say they import from AudioShare, which is great - do they work seamlessly? I can only afford to get one of them, so any recommendation for either would be greatly appreciated. I like the look of Launchpad but Blocs wave has the slicer, which also looks pretty nifty.
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Also, neither seem to have faders - am I right in saying this?
I use BlocsWave with the pro IAP so that I can import my own files. Once I’ve got the patterns how I like them, I often then export to Launchpad so you can access every loop in one screen. I don’t have any IAPs in launchpad (i think) But the pro version of Blocs and the free version of launchpad is the best of both worlds
BlocsWave is great for putting loops together you’d never have thought of. And it also does a good job of exporting all the loops time stretched and pitch shifted to whatever the song is set to (so you can use a bunch of loops of different tempos and then export them all at the same new tempo in one go).
Once you export to Launchpad you get all your loops arranged nicely in the grid. You can go back to BW at any time to edit any of the loops.
I therefore don’t use launchpad for any editing as it’s all done in Blocs. You can select what part of a loop to play (which snaps to beat boundaries so you can choose 1 bar of an 8 bar loop for example and use a different bar on another pad) and also flatten the edits to a new loop. You can play back slices of a loop which is a little crude but works quite well.
Once in launchpad you can launch entire columns or pick and choose loops from each row just like Ableton
Launchpad also has filter, stutter, tape stop type fx.
You can adjust the volume and pan of each loop quite easily but there’s no ‘mixer’ screen as such.
Thanks for this handy detail. When you say that Blocs wave is good for putting loops together you'd not have thought of, do you mean via the slicer? And then it's easy to export to Launchpad's free version? That sounds useful.
Not necessarily via the slicer. I’ve been dumping loops into Blocs for quite a while, with quite a few song ideas in blocs projects.
What I’ve found is that I might use a melody or bass line from a a different track and re-pitch it and use it at a different tempo in a different song. Blocs makes it easy to find these happy accidents as you can just keep tapping the buttons in the hex grid to get random loops. These will automatically get played back at the correct tempo and pitch as long as you correctly markup the loops when you import them. All you do is basically tell blocs the length and key of the loop when you import them.
This will often send me off into different directions and end up with something completely different.
But you can also rearrange a loop in Blocs and can flatten it to a new loop for use elsewhere.
And yes. There’s an export to Launchpad option in Blocs and which automatically lays out all the parts from BlocsWave into the Launchpad grid.
This is great - thanks. I've just done a test export from Blocs to Launchpad and it works beautifully. I think I'll buy Blocs now and then grab the full version of Launchpad later, since both look pretty excellent and definitely worth having. Thanks for the info - really helpful
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No mutes or solos, but a nice mixer, no?
Does anyone know how to save/ alter a project in Launchpad that has been imported from BlocsWave?
I only see the option to "Edit in BlocsWave", but I don't want to have to go back into BW for this.
@AmpifyxNovation ?
I think it saves in Launchpad automatically.
What kind of edits are you hoping to make?
You do have to go back to Blocks Wave to make changes. If you want to be able to make changes without going back and forth, you need to load the samples individually into a project rather than doing an export from Blocks.
I wish they had a “decouple from Blocks” option so you could edit a project. They weren’t interested in doing this back when I requested it.
Much as I like hot Spy vs Spy action as much as the next man, I always think of these two as siblings or cousins at the very outside. Connected and all the better for each other etc.
This.
The reason for importing into Launchpad is to 'audition' different combos of the sounds and add/replace files as needed.
This can't be done in BlocsWave as they're all tied into the one linear session.
I'd say BlocsWave with Garageband's Live Loops/Beatmaker 3 for Music production, and BlocsWave with Launchpad for live sessions.
Why not? Use scenes...
They work really well together, volume, edits/slicing and eq in BlocsWave then send to Launchpad for clip triggering.
Bonus fun if you connect a hardware Launchpad and assign some of those sweet effects in the suite to fit your audio.
The delay is one of my favourites and stutter and gate are great.
How do you get the Blocs clips into GarageBand’s Live Loops?
Export bones into Files and then dragndrop
What I mean is that Blocs wave has 6 linear sections.
When imported into Launchpad, any combo of individual clips from those sections can be auditioned.
Drums from Section 1, Melody from Section 6 etc. When auditioning these different mixes I get ideas of what other sounds I would like to add, remove or rearrange, but because it was a project imported from BlocsWave I only have the option to edit in BW.
However, when back in BW, it’s not possible to listen to the ‘sub-mix’ of clips I liked in Launchpad.
Allowing us to edit imported BW projects in LP will enable us to add complimentary sounds while listening to our submix, making sure that the sounds we think will work... do actually work.
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@audio_DT LP for performing, and blocs for editing.....together they make the whole.
All you need to do is run the two apps side by side, synced via link.....you can then have your submix playing in Launchpad while you do edits in BW, and update back to LP when done...I do this all the time and it works well. And if you've got the LP hardware connected...you can mess about with your submix while in blocs as the LP hardware stays connected to the LP app even when in the background.
I see... For me Blocs is more song oriented than remix approach you describe for Launchpad.
I suppose for that purpose the best approach is link them from fresh projects in booth. Then build song in Blocs and remix deck in Launchpad.
From there you can get the combinations and then search them and load in Blocs (library is shared). I know isn’t the best solution but it’s one.
Extra opinion hinted to avoid offtopic...
If I should solve this issue (or better said rethink the workflow) I will suggest @AmpifyxNovation it will end the same app... but I like them isolated as small Ableton bits so I can use any of them focused.
The point is these seem developed that way too so I usually suggest user simplify your workflow and I use questions like ”which is my ultimate goal?” “How can achieve it easily, faster or happier with actual tools?” “Is the process the goal or are different things?”
So for me these are tools for build songs (Blocs) and perform live these songs as backing tracks for Hiphop/Reggae beats but also for electronic music (Launchpad)
In between there are loopers (free ones like Loopy for more flexibility song composition and more song structure based like Gtl for backing tracks) so maybe change the receptor (Garageband Live loops instead of Launchpad) could be a solution for some (I have a launchkey so using it as live tools seems logical... well I’m changing my mind even for Gtl as live tool...)
Sorry if I repeated what was said... I was editing my post for more than an hour... figuring in since isn't my workflow but glad to see someone figuring it and using it... thanks @AndyPlankton for share it so straightforward...
Could you check my spoiler and give your opinion about what I talk there? It could be hinted in your comment so we can (anyone) play the hinted answer game
Haha, yes..the hinted.... I agree mostly, but you are missing something that blocs also does when used in a particular way
Good point. Would be a nice addition.
Interesting. I confess I hadn't thought of that. I'll try it later on.
Sorry to go OT but couldn’t resist!
Tell me!!! But spoiler it please!
You mention that loopers are halfway between blocs and LP....with an interface connected (or AB for app input) blocs is a pretty neat live audio looper and Groovebox is a MIDI looper with built in synths (no external MIDI out unfortunately) .. these apps give all the basics needed for loop based production. All 3 combined into one would be a pretty amazing app and would reduce a lot of the plumbing needed, which would in turn un-complicate the workflow.
I forgot to mention that capability from Blocs since I remember people ranting about hard workflow to start/end but never tried it by myself so just “tinker” about it... could you explain that outside hint/spoiler to the OP? I think he/she will appreciate it... thanks once again for sharing and playing