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Recommendations - Piano app for a non pianist? -Solved by a Salamander
Hi all,
I make my noises chiefly without reference to a keyboard at all (sequencers, midi auto generators and FX do the heavy lifting mainly) and am pretty much a non musician. I am currently using the free Musescore SF2 file in BS16i for all my piano, and the grand piano in it sounds pretty great to me. I wouldn’t mind upgrading to something sonically deeper though - more fidelity on using velocity triggers, that sort of thing. All performance issues are irrelevant to me, as I won’t be playing massive multitimbral jazz chords live on stage, switching banks on the fly, etc, so I’m wondering - what would you recommend for a sequence based meddler who wants to up their piano game? I know Ravenscroft is on sale at the mo - is there anything better, cheaper, less cpu/storage heavy as an app, that I should consider? Thanks!
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You can have a look in my Dropbox share for soundfonts if you wish. It is unsorted and very mixed quality though (just as a heads up), but it does contain like 22GB of various soundfonts, some of which are quite good...and some that are not so good.
Otherwise PureSynth Platinum is on sale at the moment, and amongst its very nice set of sounds it also has a bunch of pianos, which is sort of their strongest point in general.
I think you should consider how important role the piano will play in your planned tunes though. For me, not truly being a pianist, I often fail to hear the finer nuances between the many competent options on offer. Therefore I struggle with convincing myself to get for example the latest version of Neo Soul Keys for electric pianos. When Jamal is playing them in the demo it indeed sounds amazeballs...but I can't play like that anyways...so sacrificing 6GB of space for something would feel "wrong" for me, when I'm usually quite happy with what Tines (from Klevgränd) can do, and still only takes up 36Mb of space. My usage of electric pianos is quite limited though, and rarely (well, never) in the foreground, so I think I can get away with not having the best piano ever created by mankind.
The same goes for regular pianos in my case. I'm quite happy with the piano I did get in Auria, I have used the piano that comes out of the box for Cubasis as well, and I usually reach for my .sf2 files (some of which I got from here: https://sites.google.com/site/soundfonts4u/) when I need "more".
Hi @hellquist, thanks for that, and the share, I’ll check it out.
I know what you mean. I literally can’t play a note on a keyboard (just a lot of black and white switches to me) so super fidelity that a real pianist would appreciate is wasted on me. The Musescore sf2 is pretty good, but on a number of my recent tracks I find I am foregrounding specifically acoustic piano sounds more (I like the piano + radiophonic workshop vibe) - e.g. which is surprisingly my most popular track (featuring the Musescore Grand, btw) - and as it is more exposed, and precisely because I’m not a pianist, I’m looking for something where little tricks of velocity editing etc can introduce some artificial ‘humanness’ to the sound, if that makes sense. I tend to stay away from electric piano sounds, which I guess Tines is, but I’ll be sure to look at the PureSynth Platinum. Thanks!
the salamander piano sound font is arguably the best piano on ios which to can run on BS16i, its free also.
That is a lovely tune btw! Very very nice! (oh, and I'm "Ayepad" on Soundcloud btw)
Weirdly, due to a discussion in another thread regarding delays, I have a piano chord playing in my room right now every 24 seconds (as I needed to time the delay, and it just keeps going right now), which funnily enough fitted quite well with listening to your tune at the same time on another set of speakers.
But yes, the Tines example was more for illustration of how I prioritise.
Can’t go wrong with Salamander, and there are other decent pianos on that site that take up less storage.
Although personally I think Ravenscroft is much better (but it’s far from free!)
If you have Beathawk the IAP pianos are also meant to be excellent (same people who made Ravenscroft).
Personally I really love Ravenscroft. Salamander is also very good, but it's noticeably brighter. Nice track BTW.
@richardyot @TimRussell : thanks, both, and especially @[Deleted User] for pointing me at Salamander -exactly what I was looking for, and for free too - excellent, thank you all. I consider this request solved.
awesome!
Fwiw, I find a little bit of EQ can remove some of Salamander 's brightness without detracting from its quality. If I recall, in blind listenings it has been ranked as high as Ravenscroft.
For Live playing I love Korg's Module and their "American Model D" (Steinway) rivals Ravenscroft with a slightly more gentle attack and darker tone. They also have a default Grand and another IAP Grand that's was put to shame by the American D.
Module is made by Korg to be a software version of a sound module for a gigging keyboard player. It even has a Triton IAP product and strings, synths, organs, etc.
The patch loading is instant while most AUv3's are not. For use in other apps you'll need IAA support to play it but the standalone interface is ideal for live work and it's stable like a keyboard players rig should be.
If I had to choose only one I'd go with Ravenscroft because it's a well-balanced piano and it has that harmonic shift function allowing for adjusting a brighter or darker tone if required. It's not just an EQ but actually shifting root keys of samples so you get a really different tonal character.
Nonetheless, I think that there's no single piano that will always be a good fit to your music. It's good to have a few of them anyway.
And thank you very much @hellquist for the share!!!
No problem. I have most likely gotten the links for most of that content via this fantastic forum anyways.