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Cubasis vs Beatmaker 2

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  • I wish I could add an image here. I guess it doesn't really bother me so much on the big iPad. It's really more of a problem for me in the Jr. version. I use the big one all the time without grumbling too much. It's the Jr. that gives me fits.

  • @Crabman:

    i don't think BM2 is underrated.Of course,it's a great app for a very fair price.But sometimes i think the developer are not really thinking as musicians

    I agree, Intua has made some missteps with BM2. The send effects being pre-fader at first was a mistake that was thankfully rectified. Currently the volume faders in the mixer are too short. I hope they fix that.

    As for the effects: Yes, some of them could definitely be better, but they're no worse than in most iOS music apps. Auria is the only app with high quality effects. From what I've read about Cubasis' effects, they're nothing worth getting excited over, either. That said, I do hope Intua continues to improve the effects.

    Workflow is a personal thing, and I can see why some people don't care for BeatMaker's. I've gotten accustomed to it and work with it quickly.

  • Cubasis midi editing is a pain in the a$$ where as Beatmaker 2 is a lot slicker IMO.

    Eg: In Cubasis to draw a note i select the draw tool and touch a cell and to delete a note I have to select the note and then select the erase tool.

    In Beatmaker 2 to draw a note I select the draw tool and touch the cell and to delete a note I touch it again.

    One less step per note when you edit a load of notes (cos I'm a bit sh#t at playing live) and it makes editing a lot less laborious and frustrating avoiding me smashing my ipad up.

    Also in Beatmaker I can audition the notes by pressing the piano roll when creating drum patterns etc which I can't do in Cubasis.

    I cannot take drum loops and chop them up to make drum kits in Cubasis but I can in Beatmaker.

    I cannot timestretch in Cubasis but I can in Beatmaker.

    I cannot make custom drum kits in Cubasis I can in Beatmaker.

    Cubasis is gorgeous to use in terms of the interface and how everything is on one screen with intuitive pop up edit windows.

    I guess it comes down to features for me and in some areas that are important to me Cubasis disappoints.

    I have Auria, Cubasis and Beatmaker 2 and all have strengths and weaknesses.

    I hope there is an app in the pipeline that does what all 3 do combined into one app, that would be just right for my needs !!

    My advice would be buy all of them and decide for yourself.

  • edited February 2013

    I think, because of the interface in Cubasis, it has the potential to move ahead of the rest. I say that because the entire program does not have to be rewritten to accommodate its missing features. Whereas with Auria and Beatmaker the interface would have to change to compete with Cubasis. A few updates to Cubasis only require additional features not major overhaul. This of course is if Steinberg remains diligent in their effort to update regularly.

  • BM2 has been around for a couple years, so it's had time to grow (originally released on February 11, 2011 -- it just had its birthday!). I'm sure Cubasis and Auria will get better over time as well. It really does come down to which app feels best for you (or use them all). I just prefer to work in one app (or at least as few as possible).

    Now that BM2 has Audiobus and is mostly feature complete, hopefully Intua will focus on refining the interface and effects.

  • @mgmg4871 I agree. Both Auria and BM2 are currently more capable than Cubasis but its hard not to think that a little down the line Steinberg will have added a few key features to that clean interface that will make it the leading iOS DAW and the most practical to work with.

    It'll be really interesting to see how Auria and BM3 develop to head Steinberg off at the pass :)

    ...or even the possibility of new entrants, Ableton come on down the time is right!

    Am I the only one that's getting a bit sick of all the changing from one App to the next as a new DAW with new features is released/upgraded? Its an exciting time in iOS but I'm begining to feel that I need to pick a horse and stick with it. Unfortunately none them has "all" the features I currently want :)

  • @Skipp I too would like to pick one horse and stick with it, but being honest with myself, I will always have a stable full of horses. I guess each one can provoke a different mood for creativity.

  • @mgmf4871 When they stay simple and clean that's a great philosophy. Something like Figure, which has just got on he Bus, will be great for a little creative change. BM2 and Auria however are quite deep and only likely to get deeper. Don't know how long I can reasonably run three DAWs before a need to make a call.

  • edited February 2013

    I also should mention that the 2 tracks I have made so far with Cubasis have both been wiped from all memory.

    This was due to the severe undo bug.

    It decides at random that it is not only going to undo the slight recording error that you just made by not un-arming that last track before you started recording the next, but that its also going to delete all the tracks you recorded so far and oh yes you guessed it everything else in your entire project also.

    Kind of makes you want to never ever use it again until its patched.

    Shame really.

  • Let's don't start a bug contest now,there are still enough bugs in the two years older BM as well.Cubasis at least never crashed (yet).I definitely can't say that about BM or Auria.And i'm using most often all audiobus inputs at once.Until they fix it in the next update you can easy avoid the (of course nasty) undo bug when you delete wrong takes by hand instead of using undo (while in audiobus mode)

  • edited February 2013

    @Crabman Good point but you can just as easily forget to delete by hand and press the undo and erm uh oh 4hrs of creative joy down the pan.

    And for the record something very similar has happened in BM2 with some drum patterns.
    I copied the same section onto different tracks in an attempt to isolate each part to eq individually on separate tracks.
    Without accounting for the fact that when you edit a part that has been duplicated all subsequent parts are also affected.
    On deleting everything but the kick on the first track i moved onto the track below to delete everything but the snare and realised it just had the kick as per the first track I edited.
    And to my horror the undo button was greyed out !!

    2hrs joy and booty shaking in the kitchen turned into 5mins of bitter despair which was the same feeling I got from the undo bug in Cubasis.

    Again workarounds for both bugs I hear you loud and clear but if you are a fool like myself who is forgetful on occasion and has already formed a habit of using the undo buttons we'll.....

    I say get em all like I did and then decide for yourself, they are cheap as chips anyway.
    Soon enough they will be patched and work as the developers intended, which aside from the bugs is pretty awesome.

  • quote from Sebastian about the AB integration in BM:

    "the most complicated implementation that I know is Beatmaker 2 which receives and sends audio and monitors it live while also being able to apply its own effects to individual Audiobus streams"

    sounds great,it seems it was worth the wait.Now i hope it works flawless as an input as well so i can use the samplers in cubasis.Good times ahead :)

  • Wow! That's a lot of answers! Thanks for the nice reading! :) I think for me this will be a no-brainer :)

  • edited February 2013

    so you are getting both now? :)

  • Hahaha, probably it will be so! ;) In comparison with the "desktop world", it's not a lot of money for both of them :)

  • Beatmaker 2 is my preferred iPAD music application for hip hop...its like having a combination of the SP-1200 and the Ensoniq ASR-10 keyboard; only way better and a thousand times more portable... I have Cubasis for some special projects, iMPC Pro, iMaschine, and others that I use to "make sounds" but the project workhorse is BM2...Nothing beats its sequencer, straight up interface and dare I say warmth...

  • I've made my opinions known on other threads here, but I made these same observations in a different thread and a representative for the app replied afterwards...to someone else. I've tried posting on Cubasis's forum and got nada for response, either. So yeah, here goes:

    Beatmaker 2 blows Cubasis out of the water. Cubasis has advantages over Beatmaker 2 (MIDI and audio routing, IAA implementation, CC automation).

    However, what Cubasis gets wrong is unacceptable to me. Basic things like getting zoom right on even anything (sample editor, sequencer, etc.), and actually having quantize removed so accurate sample editing can occur. Just these 2 faults alone have caused me to completely swear off this app until it's fixed.

    Cubasis currently costs 5 times as much as Beatmaker 2. Steinberg should be no less than embarrassed about this. This board alone will show you that there are more proponents of Beatmaker 2 than Cubasis here.

    In the end, I don't think that patience should be required to resolve these issues, either. They charge FIFTY DOLLARS for this app, you want that kind of price, get the basics right. Right now this app is about as effective as the Newton was when it first came out.

  • @emilfransson my honest opinion about the state of iOS DAW-style apps is that you have to pick your poison -- none of them are perfect. none. NONE. N O N E. They each have their issues, and you have to sort out which issues you can deal with.

    If you can get over some of BM2s quirks, which I can't, you should go for it over Cubasis. BM2 is FAR more stable. Steinberg is trading on its name at this point, and I agree with CalCutta that they should be embarrassed about some significant things. Smaller developers are running circles around them in a lot of ways.

  • It's great to have options. I don't feel as though I have them at this point, I feel very much stuck with BM2 until there are other legitimate keyboard samplers on iOS. The flash storage in the devices is an exciting opportunity but so far BM2 seems to be the only taker. After that it would be a matter of stability, I can't imagine investing so much time and energy into a project and never being quite sure what's going to happen to it. It seems to me that there is only one app available that offers both of these at present and I can't wait for a time when that's not the case. I don't understand INTUA charging only $10 for the app but I guess that works out somehow between a globalized market and advert for BM3? I also very much like that there is an iPhone version, it really does continue to amaze me that I'm able to carry around something like five simultaneous instances of Kontakt with a great piano roll editor in my pocket. I hope to see iOS music develop in this direction, not away from it.

  • edited July 2014

    It is pick yer poison, in that something bugs me about all of them. I have to +1 @DarbyA on the iPhone angle: to have a DAW as deep as BM2, deeper feature wise than Cubasis, in my pocket, with say Alchemy, Mitosynth, CMP Grande, Thumbjam as VST style input? with MPC-style beats too, holy sh*t, bro. And that MPC style is pretty damn strong feature-wise.

  • Been using BM2 a lot these last few weeks (since iMPC Pro's release and subsequent let down, actually) and hot damn there is a lot there. Chop lab works really really well.

    I'm hoping BM3 does all the stuff everyone else hopes (iAA effects, smoother workflow, end of the file system madness) but I'm also hoping the iPad version is upgraded with more visible controls on the screen at once instead of simply enlarging the controls from the small screen version. The drum sampler is awesome and the keyboard sampler is pretty great; both are deeply feature rich but fuggin-a there's a lot of tapping going on. I feel like the TRG-16 and iMPC Pro are way ahead here (available controls per screen) and hope BM3 heads that direction.

  • I'm optimistic about BM3. Intua might be absolutely terrible at communicating with their userbase, but they always deliver with BeatMaker updates. BM2 is a great base to work off of. It has its issues, but I'm confident Intua will deliver a solid BM2 successor.

    I think it would benefit them immensely to partner with third party companies for certain effects and features, though, like Auria does. If BM3 could offer what BM2 does but with mixing features like Auria, I'd have no problem dropping $50 on it.

  • I absolutely love the work flow and results I get from Cubasis . I would not dream of switching given how well it works for me thankfully!

  • Wish they at least add IAA FX to BeatMaker 2 since it's FX is crap.

  • edited August 2014

    Yep the effects ain't great. Would be super-cool if they added IAA effects to version 2 but I think that they're probably saving that as a draw for version 3. I would.

  • To amplify Mister Core's notion: END THE FILE SYSTEM MADNESS!

  • @PHᐃNTᐃSM said:

    I think it would benefit them immensely to partner with third party companies for certain effects and features, though, like Auria does. If BM3 could offer what BM2 does but with mixing features like Auria, I'd have no problem dropping $50 on it.

    Is Kymatica available? Something like the Guitarism pairing might be interesting.

    I have no problem dropping the $50 anyway. I used Pro Tools for a long time on PC and I use BM2 the same way but with faster midi editing and tactile input (I wasn't an expert with Pro Tools of course). Not saying that they're the same thing at all but personally I get more done faster with BM

  • @DarbyA said:

    Is Kymatica available?

    That would actually be really brilliant, as I've told the Intua guys more than once that they really need to look at AudioShare for an example of how file management should be done.

    I'd be so happy to see a BeatMaker 3 with built-in effects done by Kymatica and/or Holderness. Imagine being able to buy full versions of their standalone iOS apps inside of BM3, and being able to use multiple instances of them. That would be glorious.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    To amplify Mister Core's notion: END THE FILE SYSTEM MADNESS!

    +11!1!1!!!!1!!1!111

  • @PHᐃNTᐃSM said:

    @DarbyA said:

    Is Kymatica available?

    That would actually be really brilliant, as I've told the Intua guys more than once that they really need to look at AudioShare for an example of how file management should be done.

    I'm really hoping a partnership between AudioShare and BeatMaker becomes a reality.

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