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Behringer FCB1010 need some user info please
I know there are many veteran users on here. I need some expert advice.
I used to have it and I sold it because only 2 of the switches transmitted MIDI CC.
Now it occurred to me that maybe some of the custom roms allow for transmitting CCs from all of the switches.
Is that possible?
Thanks
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What CC functionality are you after?
I've not used my 'vanilla' FCB1010 for a while.
Looks like this page mentions CCs for on/off. Although I think this is dedicated for controlling an RC-505.
https://www.fcb1010.eu/
Nice one. I wonder what do they mean by hardcoded? That CC numbers cannot be edited? Mmm...will try and email them.
I'm guessing from your initial post that you're reluctant to go down the 'custom script' route with Streambyter or Mozaic?
You’re right, I’ve embraced my codophobia and I’m running with it!
https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/fcbff-your-guitar-midi-foot-controllers-best-friend/id896310133
I have one but been meaning to get this app to program it. Would it help you?
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https://www.eurekasound.com/eurekaprom/io
I think I’m only 2 of the switches are able to send CCs and that cannot be changed via the editor. Hope I’m wrong though.
The Expression pedals both send CC data. The FCBFF app makes it a breeze to assign 200 midi CC values as desired and quickly access them from the 100 onboard patches.
I setup 40 patches, took 5 minutes and was already too much control for my requirements.
Would have probably required a few weeks to do this via the hardware. Not very intuitive to edit!
@supadom FCB1010 is a confusing beast , but your assumption only 2 switches for CC is incorrect
First you must understand it is NOT a typical guitar pedal board , where all the switches work together as a single giant patch -so NOT patch change up/down +reverb +chorus + distortion etc .
By default when you look at the board there are simply 10 exclusive switches in a bank ,
& the up/down buttons take you thru 10 banks of these 10 switches .
EACH SWITCH is its own preset which can be programmed to transmit :
5 x Program Changes +
2 x static CCNumbers with 2 values for toggling +
2 x expression pedal dynamic CC numbers +
1 midi Note = 10 midi messages ( also 2 analogue amp switch values ) .
yes..EACH ! Switch .
So... the 2 expression pedals could be CC 1 & 2 for switch 1 , CC 3 & 4 for switch 2 etc etc
& each time you press a switch you are changing to a different preset & transmitting ALL
of the above midi messages at once (if you want ).
To program each switch you go into Edit mode - where we Zoom IN to a deeper layer ,
& the 10 switches change function to select the 10 messages for programming .
There are editors & diagrams that show this .
Maybe this is why you thought there were only 2 CCs (either toggle switch or expression pedal) when you looked at diagram of the board , but this is in edit mode per preset ,
not the default layout of the board
In default mode , each independent switch transmits up to all ten messages .
picture hopefully shows Mountain Utility editor screenshot of EDIT page for a single switch/preset.
So in practice the issue for many users is how to Zoom OUT yet another level -
to program the individual 10 switches in a bank to create the single giant guitar patch
many thought it was when they bought it .
Basically , set each switch to toggle for its single function within the whole whilst duplicating the expression pedal assignments for all ten presets .
The problem for some is that - unlike a guitar pedal board - FCB1010 has only 1 active LED which shows the last switch pushed .
One of the main reasons for 3rd party Uno chip & firmware is for each switch to show own on/off status .
Wow thanks a lot @RetroNewb for this comprehensive explanation.
The only question at this point is whether the off message can be set to CC‘no message’ and therefore a fake momentary mode. I find loopy gets funny when I use toggle in some cases.
The CNT 1 + 2 switches originally only sent 1 value , I think they added the option for a 2nd for Toggle in a firmware update .
Haven’t used with Loopy for a while so not sure , but I think I used the Note for assignments .
I was planning to dig out & use again with Loopy ( hence my interest in this thread) so I can check in next day or so. Can you give a specific behaviour assignment to try ?
BTW I forgot to mention each midi message within a preset is assigned Globally to its own channel across ALL 100 presets , that is why e.g there are 5 program changes .
It is a performance controller for a whole midi rig , so one switch can change presets on five
different synths .
It would be more useful if each preset could change the channel for its controllers so e.g preset 1 expression pedals controlled synth 1 on ch 1 , preset 2 switched pedals to channel 2 for synth 2 , but you could do this channel switching with e.g MidiFlow , & use one of the FCB Program Change messages to have this under footcontrol .
BTW 2 there is an ipad editor FCBFF by Secret Base Design .
BTW3 Having said all of the above , the FCB1010 is a large & heavy bugger .
ok if you’re already lugging amps etc , but I’m actually looking into Icon G-Board or MidiCommander for a more mobile solution .