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Synthesizers are obsolete

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  • edited February 2020

    And any year now, it’ll be the ‘year of the Linux desktop’!

    Wouldn‘t you agree that the desktop is obsolete? Linux just skipped that ;) Don‘t forget you are talking to musicians who left the desktop behind.

  • @rs2000 said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    The Beatles could have said the same about guitars in 1962.

    It’s not the instrument that plays the tune (aside from self-generating apps and sequencers), it’s the person twiddling the knobs.

    Yes!
    A good musician doesn't depend on one specific instrument to create something great.

    @u0421793 said:
    Synthesisers and electronic music. I can’t decide where they fit in history. I suspect they are part of an obsolete part of history, one that isn’t here any more. I suspect they’re part of the hippie movement. They’re not part of the Victorian era, although perhaps should be. They’re not part of the punk nihilism and destruction. I think they’re basically the television age, which is over now.

    Why does music have to satisfy the measures of a certain epoc, a certain movement, a certain group of people?

    I’d say it’s the other way round, it’s a product of, or a reflection of.

    Classical music was invented to evoke and sound traditional as though it’s been that way for ages, evoking pomp and history and structure that was a signal of the age it helped define, and which in turn defined it. But the systems and beliefs in place at that time are from a different mind that came later, and in turn, the ‘between the wars’ mind of mid 20th century people were of a different mind to the beatniks who rebelled against that, and so on.

    Disco was for example a product of, well, not having a band, but having technology instead.

  • @krassmann said:

    And any year now, it’ll be the ‘year of the Linux desktop’!

    Wouldn‘t you agree that the desktop is obsolete? Linux just skipped that ;) Don‘t forget you are talking to musicians who left the desktop behind.

    I would agree. The desktop / laptop should actually get back in the coffin, it died and hasn’t realised it yet.

  • Negative and totally incorrect.

    Something obsolete is, and only this

    “ no longer produced or used; out of date”

    Can you use synthesizers? Are working, right?

    So are not obsolete.

    End of discussion

  • "All this machinery making modern music
    Can still be open-hearted
    Not so coldly charted
    It's really just a question of your honesty, yeah
    Your honesty

    One likes to believe in the freedom of music
    But glittering prizes and endless compromises
    Shatter the illusion of integrity"

    — Neil Peart (RIP)

  • humans soon to follow the synths

  • @mrcanister said:
    humans soon to follow the synths

    They took our jerbz

  • Okay it’s just a rant, but I can see some truth in it. Usually instruments had evolved over a long time and being constantly improved but just look at the majority of synths on the iPad. Most of them use the very same synthesis as the early synths: subtractive analog synthesis. A lot of iPad synths even emulate classic synths. We just add more oscillators, more control, more modulation.... more more more, but no new ideas that fascinate as much as the ones from the golden age.

    Anyway, I don‘t agree that synths are obsolete and I still enjoy a lot to get lost in a good synth. And electronic music is still going strong, taking humans to ecstasy on the dancefloor in millions every night.

  • Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher,
    vanity of vanities! All is vanity.
    What does man gain by all the toil
    at which he toils under the sun?
    A generation goes, and a generation comes,
    but the earth remains forever.
    The sun rises, and the sun goes down,
    and hastens to the place where it rises.
    The wind blows to the south
    and goes around to the north;
    around and around goes the wind,
    and on its circuits the wind returns.
    All streams run to the sea,
    but the sea is not full;
    to the place where the streams flow,
    there they flow again.
    All things are full of weariness;
    a man cannot utter it;
    the eye is not satisfied with seeing,
    nor the ear filled with hearing.
    What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun.
    Is there a thing of which it is said,
    “See, this is new”?
    It has been already
    in the ages before us.
    There is no remembrance of former things,
    nor will there be any remembrance
    of later things yet to be
    among those who come after.

  • I think it was seeing Nick Batt make half an hour of excuses for the Wavestate.

    All I could think about was “well done, they’ve taken the most over-capable and negative-UX synth ever, and actually made it worse by adding more knobs to it! Seriously, the iPad iWavestation is FAR better”. Then I realised. The wavestation should be in a museum. Then I realised why. What last week, last month, last year, last decade, last century I considered the peak of synthesizers, I now see as a coelacanth.

  • @u0421793, I can’t believe how kind the forum members have been to you! Well, let me put that to an end. As one old man to another... you’re talking like a fucking old man! Tell your obsolescent tale to a baby. I mean the world is buying vinyl records, smoking a shitload of cigarettes and downing a methane laced ozone layer of meat. Pornography is better than ever even tho this latest gen has given up sex. Luddite! ( I still love you, however... except love is obsolete and way too nostalgic.)

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @u0421793, I can’t believe how kind the forum members have been to you! Well, let me put that to an end. As one old man to another... you’re talking like a fucking old man! Tell your obsolescent tale to a baby. I mean the world is buying vinyl records, smoking a shitload of cigarettes and downing a methane laced ozone layer of meat. Pornography is better than ever even tho this latest gen has given up sex. Luddite! ( I still love you, however... except love is obsolete and way too nostalgic.)

    What you say is true. Today. I’m talking about tomorrow. Where we’re going, we don’t need counterculture.

  • Certainly the whole music is no longer dead. I watched a movie introducing modular synths. The movie was terrible, with only rich collectors boasting rare possessions, but the DVD package had comments from MORTON SUBOTNICK. I remember it was almost as follows. New music will no longer come from art. But it will come from play. I'm convinced, and now I'm focusing on iOS. It is easy for mentally immature seniors to immerse themselves in music as a hobby, but it is not easy for mature adults to enjoy playing. I think it is always necessary to look for sources of inspiration.

  • Exactly. I was stuck in the old days, the notion that it must be a song, it must be recordable, it must be releasable, it must be a product with a defined boundary and duration and barcode, it must be recordable, it must be a recording, it must be recorded.

    The very idea of an aimless noodle or a jam session with no up-front idea of what I’m going to walk away with or when, no up-front structure of emotional delivery, and worse, at the end of it, some duration of nonsense that you can’t whistle the next day because you can’t remember any of it, and therefore neither will anyone else. It’s not a product. Perhaps that’s old hat, and there’ll be a R.Mutt moment soon, or already has been and I’ve missed it.

  • wimwim
    edited February 2020

    @u0421793 said:
    What you say is true. Today. I’m talking about tomorrow. Where we’re going, we don’t need counterculture.

    or roads.

  • @u0421793 said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    The Beatles could have said the same about guitars in 1962.

    It’s not the instrument that plays the tune (aside from self-generating apps and sequencers), it’s the person twiddling the knobs.

    Yes!
    A good musician doesn't depend on one specific instrument to create something great.

    @u0421793 said:
    Synthesisers and electronic music. I can’t decide where they fit in history. I suspect they are part of an obsolete part of history, one that isn’t here any more. I suspect they’re part of the hippie movement. They’re not part of the Victorian era, although perhaps should be. They’re not part of the punk nihilism and destruction. I think they’re basically the television age, which is over now.

    Why does music have to satisfy the measures of a certain epoc, a certain movement, a certain group of people?

    I’d say it’s the other way round, it’s a product of, or a reflection of.

    Classical music was invented to evoke and sound traditional as though it’s been that way for ages, evoking pomp and history and structure that was a signal of the age it helped define, and which in turn defined it. But the systems and beliefs in place at that time are from a different mind that came later, and in turn, the ‘between the wars’ mind of mid 20th century people were of a different mind to the beatniks who rebelled against that, and so on.

    Disco was for example a product of, well, not having a band, but having technology instead.

    ??? What we call classical music wasn't backwards looking it was the contemporary and sometimes forward-looking music of its time.

    Disco wasn't more electronic and less reliant on musicians than other forms of its time. Heck, a lot of disco productions used large ensembles...some used fake strings but a lot of it used actual string players.

  • the issue started when people started Caring about patches more than songs, when they started saying whether they heard that patch or sound already while listening to a new song instead of actually listening to the song, or those good folk who only respond to music with a diatribe on whether the patches were forward thinking or not like wtf does that even have to do with music, there are even musicians today who get upset if large amounts of other people actually learn how to use the same new fangled futuristically too damn confusing midi sequencer that they used and get mad at developers for making it accessible.... people are Fckin crazy that's the problem lol

  • Will obsolescence ever be obsolete? Or is obsolescence a universal inevitability?

    Consider a scenario in which something deemed obsolete by one is considered useful to another - one man's junk is another man's treasure. Also consider that even the simplest percussion instruments have existed for millennia and are still used today.

    Alternatively, consider that our universe is finite, humankind is self-destructive, and our existence may be little more than a faint echo that drifts through the cosmos aimlessly and unheard by any other living beings.

    Whatever the case, does this thread really matter?

  • Is this satirical or am I breaking out my “OK Boomer” t-shirt?

  • Synthesizers turn electricity into controlled vibrations. You are expressing your consciousness with fundamental forces of the universe. That's not obsolete, it's eternal.

  • @YourJunk said:
    Is this satirical or am I breaking out my “OK Boomer” t-shirt?

    Pretty much.

  • no more synths! just put reverb on everything and that’s your new instrument

  • When Obsolete becomes Obsolete it will bring balance again

  • I remember when synths first started to be used and every week seemed to bring a sound that make you sit up and think “wow, what was THAT!”. It’s been a long time since I felt that, it’s now possible to create so much on a computer or iPad. I think it now has to be what do you DO with all that potential music making, and that is in the hands of the musicians, not the technology.

  • Alright, adding something of substance to this convo, synth is widely appreciated so much more now than it ever was.

    Think of the pissed off Van Halen fans when they first heard “Jump”. And now synth is used in damn near every type of music.

  • @YourJunk said:
    Alright, adding something of substance to this convo, synth is widely appreciated so much more now than it ever was.

    Think of the pissed off Van Halen fans when they first heard “Jump”. And now synth is used in damn near every type of music.

    That's the one that made me a fan. I was 8 or 9 at Disneyland, heard it and bought it immediately. First album I ever bought with my own money. :heart: (Then I bought a pack of smokes)

  • @AudioGus said:

    @YourJunk said:
    Alright, adding something of substance to this convo, synth is widely appreciated so much more now than it ever was.

    Think of the pissed off Van Halen fans when they first heard “Jump”. And now synth is used in damn near every type of music.

    That's the one that made me a fan. I was 8 or 9 at Disneyland, heard it and bought it immediately. First album I ever bought with my own money. :heart: (Then I bought a pack of smokes)

    Might as well smoke.

  • @u0421793 said:
    No shortage of echoes of 303 like boxes, but that’s not peak subtractive, that’s just some folklore that became a cargo cult.

    In all seriousness, this is the most insightful thing I’ve read about electronic music in all my many years of tweaking knobs and lurking on gear forums.

    Kudos, sir.

  • @YourJunk said:
    Alright, adding something of substance to this convo, synth is widely appreciated so much more now than it ever was.

    Think of the pissed off Van Halen fans when they first heard “Jump”. And now synth is used in damn near every type of music.

    Of course, synth was already used in every form of pop music when Jump came out. The pissed off fans were not pissed because synth were new -- they were pissed off because many associated synths with a kind of music they didn't like. Same thing when Queen (who famously used to put "no synthesizers used in making this record" on their covers) started using synths.

    The same happened when Radiohead started using synths prominently.

    Some fans just don't like their faves to change.

    Synths were mainstream and ubiquitous by the mid to late 70s.

  • edited February 2020

    I think modern technology has barely scratched the surface of what can be done with synthesizers and other electronic sound creation methodologies.

    It's all about interconnectivity. We can see the beginnings of new methods of interconnectivity in features like AUv3, and AUM including multi-bus input output capabilities.

    As more methods for interconnectivity become available. The purpose of programs can evolve away from a paradigm where Apps function primarily as individual instruments, and evolve towards the creation of new Apps that are designed to interface with other Apps as groups of interactive components.

    A component system with multiple possibilities for interconnectivity. Allows for developers to create new classes of Apps that are designed to function as system modifiers. And as new classes of system modifier components become includible in the system due to adoption of further interconnectivity developments, the creative capabilities for the entire system expand.

    This raises a potential for exponential growth of the system to occur, as it provides developers with the opportunity to develop new classes of less complex Applications intended for inclusion into the component based system.

    Less complex Applications can be developed with less investment, and marketed at less cost. This leads to a probability for growth in the number of components that are available.

    The greater the number of components. Each capable of their own unique methodologies in modifying function over the capabilities of the system in is entirety. Results in an exponential increase in the number of possibilities which the overall system can be configured to function.

    The end result is a vast increase in the statistical probability that new innovations in music creation will arise out of a system actively evolving in connective complexity with increasing numbers of new components designed to interact within a system of expanding interconnectivity.

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