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how to do autoswell (or attack filter) - help needed

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  • wimwim

    @espiegel123 said:
    Triggered by MIDI. It has been a while since I have done it—so I could be misremembering. I only mention it in case OP already has one of those.

    Cool. You just set up my daily geek exploration for the afternoon.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    That’s the wonder of iOS now we have AU and apps like AUM. I’m not saying that all of this wasn’t possible before, just that midi back then was far more stressful than it is now :)

  • rs2000rs2000
    edited February 2020

    @espiegel123 said:

    @wim said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @wim said:
    @rs2000, so Envolver is reacting to the initial transient, then sending an inverted envelope to the volume fader? What happens if the sound itself doesn't have a pronounced attack (such as a pad)? Or if you pay a note too softly so it doesn't cross the threshold? Or if the volume fluctuates below and above the threshold. That seems like it could be inconsistent. I haven't tried it though, so maybe that works better than I think it would.

    The idea with the Mozaic script is playing a note triggers the envelope at exactly the same time the note is triggered, irregardless of the level of audio passing through the plugin.

    No question that using MIDi notes to trigger is the way to go.
    And you're right, having to set a fixed threshold in FAC Envolver is another limitation that excludes varying signal levels.
    Also, the attack is not always smooth because as long as the input signal is above the threshold, retriggering the sound won't give you the soft attack, but setting the threshold higher introduces the risk of not being triggered when the source is played monophonically...

    If one has Moog Model 15 or iVCS3, they could be used. IVCS3 even lets you use just its envelope.

    Triggered by audio, like an envelope follower, or triggered by midi? I don't have IVCS3, and I don't remember if you can send a trigger from external MIDI to M15's envelopes. That would be interesting to check out, though much more complicated to set up in M15 than Mozaic.

    Triggered by MIDI. It has been a while since I have done it—so I could be misremembering. I only mention it in case OP already has one of those.

    Hey that's great, it works very well!
    Make sure you're using the "music effect" iVCS3 ENV plugin, set OFF to max., ON to zero and route MIDI to the plugin. Now MIDI notes trigger the envelope and you can adjust attack and decay in a much wider range than with FAC envolver, ENV also has a an audio-triggered envelope follower that works very well.
    @bates67 will be happy to hear 😃

  • wimwim

    Shoot. That is the end of the years of smug self-control I've exercised in not purchasing iVCS3. What's left IK Hammond B3?
    I really need to spend less time on this forum.

  • bates67bates67

    Wow, I think I have triggered an avalanche (is this correct in english?)!

    That‘s overwhelming and great!

    I will check this in the next days.
    Yes, Envolver wasnˋt really the solution I wanted.

    This forum brings me again to believe in mankind...

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    VirSyn AudioLayer as built in envelopes and now even has some free sounds that may be of use. You could always get that bulk sampling app (forgot its name) and use AudioLayer to play the sounds

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @wim said:

    @Fruitbat1919 said:

    @wim said:

    @bates67 said:
    Thanks for your replies.
    Sorry@Fruitbat1919: I didn‘t realise that you posted all three replies in a row. I thought that the explanation with screenshots were from another user, so I couldnt’t understand, why you were talking about tremolo... ;-)

    Eventide sounds interesting too.

    But before I spend more money.
    @wim: can you explain me a setup with Envolver in Aum or Audiobus, so that I can play with a keyboard swelling sounds to my taste?

    Actually, I think I’ve misunderstood how it works. Envolver can send MIDI notes. I don’t think it can trigger envelopes based on incoming MIDI Note. I was confused by the labeling of the settings.

    The Mozaic MIDI ADSR script is the best option I can think of. I wrote it specifically for this type of scenario.

    Yep Thanks for ADSR, I find I use it quite a bit now :)

    I'm planning a new one that is similar, but has more stages, and the ability to set a loop region.

    I look forward to that :)

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