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Have you looked into getting an UPS system, there are some cheap ones on amazon, worth looking at some of the more expensive ones too, if you need to keep working through power outages.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00T7BYX2Y/ref=psdc_430442031_t3_B00T7BYPDG
@InfoCheck - your post was pretty amazing. You are clearly a logical and balanced thinker. Well done. I mean it.
Now, in a sincere spirit of trying to help, here's a challenge ... Can you create as thorough a list of things you're happy about? (I mean privately, not as a request to do so here.) This isn't snark or reaction in any way. It's just that as I was reading, I was also saying but .... but ... but. I think it's habitual on my part to want to focus on the good. Not that I hide from the bad, far from it, I try to look at it objectively, as you've clearly done, learn what I can, then look for ways to feel better.
I hope you don't take anything about this wrong or as insulting. I just feel bad when I think people may be overwhelmed with negativity and always try to cheer them up. Sometimes that's the exact opposite of what is needed, as my wife has told me many, many times. So please just completely ignore me if that's the case. I mean no harm or disrespect.
I find my own glee at reading things like the Darwin awards disconcerting as I’m sure their death was not so funny for there loved ones. In general, I believe deriving pleasure from the misfortunes of others tends not to be helpful but at least recognizing we have those thoughts and feelings from time to time is probably healthier than trying to suppress them. Perhaps some guilt over such illicit delights might motivate us to step forward when do have opportunities to help people.
Wow, that is some skill level you have there Ass Flaps. Mine just kind of blat out at random.
@wim I am saddened you haven’t tried to ameliorate my negativity. Maybe you see how much I enjoy it.
@InfoCheck,indulge your sadistic pleasures.i often think I am part cannibal and have threatened to eat parts of my girlfriend. Very pleasurable!
How about a little "Playing God" mind game:
You start the game with 1 trillion humans.
A virus is introduced into the populations across the globe.
It spreads exponentially upon transmission of the virus
If everyone eventually gets it - how many survive?
Assume: do nothing - result 60% or 600 million
What can you do to improve the numbers?
You have the resources of an all powerful god but can only use proven scientific steps to influence the game.
The God part means you get to forget political and social impediments to your plan. People do what you ask them to do.
What's your plan? What instructions would you give and who would get them?
(I can hardly wait to see what @infocheck comes up with... obviously he's pretty good at complex systems analysis).
Maybe this game belongs on the other thread since this is actually a good idea. Most of the news is dealing with how to
maintain the world as is without facing the reality of the situation and what will be. (Just a little bit of rant).
Its affecting already my wife. Her work is cancelled for next weeks. Never happens with any flu.
Nr. 1 here for "simulation".
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/plague-inc/id525818839
I wonder if the need for a vaccine and an up-close few of unimpedef viral transmission will help anti-vaxxers understand the dangers of life without vaccinations.
Anti-vaxers will continue to suffer the Darwain effects of refusing to comprehend science and logic. This problem is beyond their analytical skills. They are playing for the wrong team and become part of the problem. It's a variation of the "me first" type of thinking that can't see their place in a population and how they could contribute to the greater good.
I think we all wrestle with this because we all would like to survive... until we don't.
Do NOT despair. I do not depair anti-vaxers... I pity them and offer counseling as I can. They mean well but do wrong.
Sometimes that is considered political but if we could agree on what "wrong" means we'd be a borg with common interests.
Maybe an AI will save us. Let the machines find the best world possible. Good luck.
@espiegel123 .. . As requested. Twin brothers. One got the smallpox vaccine the other did not.
I appreciate your suggestion and concern. Warning the following is fairly personal. There might be some weird or uncommon thoughts and feelings— I don’t share any traumatic experiences.
I doubt I could come up with a similar list of things I’m happy about, mostly because I really have no desire to do so. Being happy seems to be a spontaneous feeling for me. At the same time I recognize my ability to focus on things that frustrate me can have negative and positive consequences. I try to mitigate the negative consequences by trying to be realistic about what I can do about something. In general I usually don’t have that much to complain about on a personal level so it makes it easier to resist the urge to share every frustration I have. The positive aspect of frustration is trying to figure out what I can do or learn about how to resolve or mitigate such frustrations. Frequently it can boil down to an acknowledgement of my own personal limitations and unrealistic expectations. Recognizing one’s talent for creating endless complaint lists helps you to recognize that it sort of has a life of its own so I can’t take it too seriously.
People in general really don’t want to hear or care about all of your frustrations either so it’s best to respect their wishes in this regard. Fortunately, I really don’t feel the urge to do that very much anymore though clearly my concern and focus on how we deal with the Corona virus has led to a lot of associations with previous frustrations I’ve invested my thoughts and feelings in.
I will say that I’m in a situation where my own personal risk factors can be minimized and that while I’d prefer not to die, it wouldn’t really bother me should it happen from the virus provided I keep doing what I can to prevent infection. Not everyone is in that situation so it’s probably a lot more stressful time for them. I really don’t feel that close to anybody so I don’t think the death of anybody now would have a deep personal impact on me. This is quite a luxury as most people have closer personal connections or would feel bad about not having them. I don’t share these sorts of thoughts with friends or family as I’m sure it wouldn’t be comforting for them.
When I’m engaged in a particular activity, my thoughts are focused on it which displaces all other thoughts from my mind. This can be quite a luxury which many people may not have.
Recognizing my behavior and way of experiencing life can be unique to me helps me recognize that what’s important to me might not be important to other people. It has also motivated me to be more open and listen to what others say and do as it represents an opportunity to learn rather than focus on trying to convert them to my own POV or otherwise try to dismiss or disregard what they do which was what I did when I was younger and claimed to know more.
I really don’t care too much about being happy as I have times where I’m happy or times where I’m not so it doesn’t really seem to be something I have sufficient control over for it to be a goal. For me the significant challenge is to try not to inflict myself on others so I monitor where I’m at and withdraw as necessary when I see myself becoming unfit for public consumption.
I have a self confidence that frequently is independent of any sort of rational justification so this means I’m fairly immune to what people think about me and have zero need for praise. This is the social equivalent of someone who ends up burning themself because they don’t feel a burning sensation in response to intense heat. Fortunately I’ve experienced enough negative self inflicted consequences from my own behavior that I’ve been able to think about how I do things. This isn’t always successful but it’s certainly more manageable.
On public forums such as this, I try to behave as I really don’t have much insight into what’s going on in their lives or how my more extreme behaviors might effect them. I’ve tried to apologize to those individuals where I’ve been too zealous.
shudder😩
That is terrifying, care to share a link to the snopes article please?
Thanks for that, funnily enough a mate mentioned those earlier - didn’t know about them until today.
I’ve plumped for a laptop instead, hopefully coming tomorrow. Once things calm down a bit, and these effing storms bugger off, I’ll look into getting a desktop.
Sorry for trying to be helpful on a rant thread, but it’s been my experience that people with views we don’t agree with have more in common with us than we might initially think. People who are against vaccinations aren’t all the same. Trying to understand why each individual has arrived at their current stance on the topic, seems like the first step in being effective in getting them to reconsider.
I doubt any of them see themselves the way they’re frequently characterized by people who support vaccination. If we truly want to change their mind, we’ll need to come from a place of empathy and patience. If we don’t, it’s more about our own feelings and anger towards them for not going along with the program.
Societies always have the option to try and force compliance, though this isn’t always effective and can have unintended side effects. I believe a good faith effort starting from a place of empathy is worth a try.
Those stats are from 2018: https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tuberculosis
@infocheck Your approach ito life and society is very zen. Zen however is a very monastic approach to life and essentially and inner (spiritual journey). Zen masters rarely see the need to assume power or leadership. But they can often see a situation clearly and as you do... demonstrate selflessness (eschewing the pitfalls of the Ego) and empathy. Traits thatI admire and aspire too. But I am a fucking control freak and not sure how that fits with loosing your ego.
So, I admire the egoless life but cannot drop the impulse to be a change agent using any tactic that assists the intended changes. I often try to drive the bus from the back seat but never forget to enjoy the journey to see where we go.
This year promises to be a fascinating journey.
The pandemic will force significant changes and many will be good:
I am fully engaged in this drama and how the world sustains itself in crisis. I hope we are all here in a year to punish
anyone who takes this all too seriously. I'm not sure yet that we should not. Plan for the best but prepare for the worst.
It's great to be able to just rant internal dialogue out. To give it voice. It's still a great time for the curious. It's like a test that
nature is subjecting us all too.
@InfoCheck : I generally agree with you, but the anti-vaxxer thing is tough. I have a biologist friend who devotes tons of energy to trying to help anti-vaxxers understand the science and epidemiology. He is a patient non-judgmental guy. He finds the attitudes he encounters extremely frustrating because it is not driven by rational analysis.
The cling to certain "facts" even if those "facts" can be shown to be falsehoods. It seems clear that in a lot of cases, it is born out of a deep-seated distrust of certain systems and isn't budgeable. I think a big contribution is that people under 60 in the U.S. haven't seen what a deadly epidemic is like and may not have parents that did. My parents (born 1927) lived through terrible epidemics and so we were very aware of them -- and how fearful our parents were about things like chicken pox, polio, the measles and rubella because those were real.
Anti-vaxxers take herd immunity for granted and really don't understand the terror that people lived in prior to vaccines.
It will be interesting to see if being faced with pandemic, the mindset will change.
I believe the biggest barrier to slowing down the virus is the willingness of people to go along with the steps that will be needed to interrupt the virus life cycle which are relatively simple to understand such as social distancing, and hand washing. To be most effective, you’d need leaders their followers trust.
I wouldn’t have much insight into what would be persuasive for any particular group or their leader.
There’s always more than one way to do things. Rather than having a one God approach, it would seem to me that finding a way for various groups to stop the virus in a way that they’re comfortable with would be the most effective way to minimize viral spread.
I believe this is the sort of approach community health specialists take where they utilize both a knowledge of the disease with their own cultural competence to develop effective plans.
I would hope elected representatives, health organizations, community organizations such as churches, social media influencers, and traditional media outlets turn to and receive outreach from community health specialists for guidance in how they go about serving people.
I think it is up to us to spread news about best-practices to people and encourage people to take the lead where they can. The Medium article was an eye-opener and after reading it my wife told her team to work from home until further notice and started working on convincing her higher-ups to do the same and not wait for official policy.
For those that missed it:
https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca
Also: https://www.flattenthecurve.com
Everyone: do what you can to inform the people you know about this.
I think a more effective model would be someone like Daryl Davis and his experiences with the KKK. Clearly this would be a long term strategy. I think the extent to which we eliminate corruption, provide more opportunity, and transparency in our society would also go a long way towards fostering more trust and create positive rather than negative cycles of engagement with healthcare initiatives.
Trump has always been an incompetent bufoonish figure of ridicule, but now he's potentially a serious danger.
"...we can be fairly certain he will look for someone to blame along with a distraction, most likely some form of conflict at home or abroad.
The scale of the debacle will require a major distraction. Awful as the coronavirus pandemic looks now, Trump’s backlash could be even worse."
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/donald-trump-coronavirus-crisis
I think he’s already done this, blaming Europeans. Funny how UK is exempt when he’s got business interests here and especially where I am in Scotland .
Hopefully this impending disaster has one upside & the people of America will see this lying clown for what he is & vote him out. I have my doubts unfortunately.
This article was written after yesterday's announcement by Trump, the auther is alluding to something much worse than ruffling the EU's features.
I play it cool
And dig all jive
That’s the reason
I stay alive.
My motto,
As I live and learn,
is:
Dig And Be Dug
In Return.
“Motto” Langston Hughes
Well we shall see....I can’t remember the last time the news was this fluid. Anything is probably possible
@espiegel123 it really is a case of act now or the cost in both revenue and lives will be massively more. I think what’s happening in Italy is definitely a more realistic preview of what’s to come in other western democracies. The U.S. seems particularly vulnerable given the low stock of protective gear for healthcare workers, limited number of machines which will breathe for you, and beds.
The significant number of people who live from pay check to pay check and don’t have healthcare will increase the number who go to work. There seem to be many who doubt its seriousness and will also fail to take action.
Perhaps the cancellation of the NBA, NHL, March Madness, and the Hanks positive tests might have persuaded more people to take action.