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Drambo: Elektron workflow re-created (Self-Education)

This year is the year!

I want to buy a Digitakt - the hardware i want to own for such a long time.
With all respect to Ivar Tryti - and explicitly this video i followed and awaited the release of Drambo.

My hopes were that i could use it on my iPad to begin learning the technics used by people who already own that device.

I started to create a Drambo scene to create the samples with the process in the video above.
The process itself, technically, is not very heavy on my brain - i watched that video an awful amount of times.
So theoretically all was already in my head.

Today i created the scene to generate those samples needed

With this project it is possible to create simple loops/rhythms with just exchanging the single drum parts i want to have in my final file.
I can mix samples with oscillators just like i want and for whatever i need it.
The sample can also be trimmed inside of Drambo before i save it to my iPad.
I can create them in several variations with just muting the channels i do not want in my final loop.

After this process i open up my 2nd Drambo Scene-File and load these loops in their respective containers.
I mangle the steps which consist of all the same notes with P-Lock(ed) parameters inside the Sampler element.
After the basic recreation of the initial loop with the right timings i can just start to mangle around and simply copy/past different P-Lock parameter states just as it is done on the original hardware.

I am very satisfied and am now sure that this training is very good until i get the real deal.
When it arrives i am ready to map my Drambo knowledge to the hardware-box. That should be a lot easier and more fluent than starting from zero.

So with all respect to Mr. Tryti, the other YouTube people who are doing Digitakt Tutorials and not the least @giku_beepstreet i am a very happy person at the moment and very glad to have this opportunity.

Here is my first try with this said method - there are sure points i can refine but the main workflow is there and it most likely 100% recreatable.

If you have comments or suggestions - feel free. I am open for this.

I know there are other, possibly easier ways, to get the result i want. But they all relay on a different workflow and technique.
I especially chose this one to learn for the Digitakt.

Thanks for reading and commenting :)

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  • Ooooh. Cool. Going to follow this thread for sure. 👊🏼™️

  • @echoopera said:
    Ooooh. Cool. Going to follow this thread for sure. 👊🏼™️

    ditto!

  • SO.... sorry if I am missing something. Does Drambo do all you want that the Digitakt does? If so why get the Digitakt? I’m just curious.

  • edited April 2020

    That’s kinda like asking why get any hardware when there’s Ableton. Personally I think I will keep my digitakt. Hell, even the digitone is ~just~ a digital synth, but I use it more than 2 iPads and a desktop full of software. Drambo is insanely powerful, don’t get me wrong. But it’s different. These aren’t aren’t often about what they can do, but more what you are inspired to do with them. That said, Drambo will inspire plenty all on its own, just...differently.

    I think this excellent training, @MrBlaschke! I will be watching this thread!

  • edited April 2020

    @onerez said:
    SO.... sorry if I am missing something. Does Drambo do all you want that the Digitakt does? If so why get the Digitakt? I’m just curious.

    It‘s what @dreamsaremaps says - some things are nicer in a box. It‘s just my mind (well, the whole head) when it comes to this box. And i love the way i can learn the „basics“ with Drambo now. Just wanted to tell someone. Excitement. Weird thing that is :smile:

    Other than that - i do not know (yet - or maybe ever) what Drambo all can do.
    But i know what i want to do with that box - and to prepare i can live with my glossy touchscreen.

  • Drambo will fill many roles including many more than a digitakt can! But I do believe if are after a digitakt, it’s a wondrous box and has its own charm. I for one am planning to use them side by side! Please continue to post your explorations!

  • I found his workflow in that video very confusing. What was he trying to do with all that resampling and repitching (I stopped watching about half way through). Figured there was some point to it, but couldn't quite understand it. The end result sounded good, but seemed like a complicated way of making a track sequencer into a DAW type thing. Feel reasonably sure I misunderstood something fundamental... :)

  • @dreamsaremaps said:
    That’s kinda like asking why get any hardware when there’s Ableton. Personally I think I will keep my digitakt. Hell, even the digitone is ~just~ a digital synth, but I use it more than 2 iPads and a desktop full of software. Drambo is insanely powerful, don’t get me wrong. But it’s different. These aren’t aren’t often about what they can do, but more what you are inspired to do with them. That said, Drambo will inspire plenty all on its own, just...differently.

    I think this excellent training, @MrBlaschke! I will be watching this thread!

    I wouldn’t dissuade anyone from buying hardware, but I like that Drambo and a midi controller is way cheaper than an Octatrack.

    Watching Octatrack videos last night made me want to build something similar in a Drambo.

  • I can def see a Octatrack workflow in Drambo.

  • It can’t be any harder than actually using an Octatrack :)

  • Drambo is superb but I must say I love using my Octatrack. It’s a mysterious machine that just has some magic about it. Similar in many ways but totally different feel and results.

  • edited April 2020

    so drambo can be a software version of octatrack?

  • Yes it can. I am waiting for multi live sampling, and midi learn !

  • can't we control ıt with a midi controller yet?

  • @Denizzy said:
    can't we control ıt with a midi controller yet?

    All knobs with modulation triangle next to them can be controlled using the midi cc module from modulator section. It has midi learn.

  • @Zippy88 said:
    Drambo is superb but I must say I love using my Octatrack. It’s a mysterious machine that just has some magic about it. Similar in many ways but totally different feel and results.

    I agree, I can't say that I prefer using the Octatrack but it definitely feels different and the great hardware build (especially the MK2) can be quite motivating.

  • Nice to read these responses. Currently using a digitone with an ipad, nice combo. However I continue to debate in my head using just an ipad or hardware (elektron box). Tactility, ability, flexibility, workflow, inspiration, fun.....so many things to consider.

  • @supadom said:

    @Denizzy said:
    can't we control ıt with a midi controller yet?

    All knobs with modulation triangle next to them can be controlled using the midi cc module from modulator section. It has midi learn.

    I don't understand why more of the knobs don't have modulation triangles. Is it a performance thing?

  • @Jocphone said:

    @supadom said:

    @Denizzy said:
    can't we control ıt with a midi controller yet?

    All knobs with modulation triangle next to them can be controlled using the midi cc module from modulator section. It has midi learn.

    I don't understand why more of the knobs don't have modulation triangles. Is it a performance thing?

    also is it planned to get visual feedback of the knob automation movements? or is that for performance too? I can understand it, because I'm not getting as many glitches in AUv3 with Drambo as with some other apps and this could be why :)

  • @Jocphone said:

    @supadom said:

    @Denizzy said:
    can't we control ıt with a midi controller yet?

    All knobs with modulation triangle next to them can be controlled using the midi cc module from modulator section. It has midi learn.

    I don't understand why more of the knobs don't have modulation triangles. Is it a performance thing?

    that’s currently ( apart from files app doodah ) my only niggle.. there are many parameters i would like to oscilate that don’t have the magic triangle!! but i guess that is down to the gui and keeping them on the left edge of the module..
    but hey! can’t really complain that i only have two eyes at the front of my head and none in the back!!

  • Is that the reason? I thought Drambo was going to sort these visibility problems as well.

    Seriously, some like delay time, other plugins can modulate it, why not D-R-A-M-B-O!!?

  • edited April 2020

    @Carnbot said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @supadom said:

    @Denizzy said:
    can't we control ıt with a midi controller yet?

    All knobs with modulation triangle next to them can be controlled using the midi cc module from modulator section. It has midi learn.

    I don't understand why more of the knobs don't have modulation triangles. Is it a performance thing?

    also is it planned to get visual feedback of the knob automation movements? or is that for performance too? I can understand it, because I'm not getting as many glitches in AUv3 with Drambo as with some other apps and this could be why :)

    I think the decision is likely partly guided by streamlining the apps cpu/gpu. Visuals often cause issues with otherwise completely stable setups. Also FWIW hardware boxes don’t generally give visual feedback after motion/p lock has been recorded.

    I’ve requested that in the past as well (soon after I pushed the dev in the direction of motion recording) but I’d rather have a stable app instead of jumping knobs however nice it might be having that visual feedback.

  • @Jocphone said:
    Is that the reason? I thought Drambo was going to sort these visibility problems as well.

    Seriously, some like delay time, other plugins can modulate it, why not D-R-A-M-B-O!!?

    I’m sure they’re coming but it is requests vs time scenario. Especially right after the release.

  • @supadom said:

    @Carnbot said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @supadom said:

    @Denizzy said:
    can't we control ıt with a midi controller yet?

    All knobs with modulation triangle next to them can be controlled using the midi cc module from modulator section. It has midi learn.

    I don't understand why more of the knobs don't have modulation triangles. Is it a performance thing?

    also is it planned to get visual feedback of the knob automation movements? or is that for performance too? I can understand it, because I'm not getting as many glitches in AUv3 with Drambo as with some other apps and this could be why :)

    I think the decision is likely partly guided by streamlining the apps cpu/gpu. Visuals often cause issues with otherwise completely stable setups. Also FWIW hardware boxes don’t generally give visual feedback after motion/p lock has been recorded.

    Yeah I'd always favour stability as priority, but being able to see automation would be useful sometimes, the advantage of software over hardware etc Could be in a lower level edit step mode...eg one knob at a time view. :)

  • Likely, if we were to expect all controls to be modulated, Drambo would still be in beta.

  • As someone who has had all the Elektron boxes except the Rytm and Sidstation, Drambo is, hands down, the closest thing I've ever used to an Elektron device. For me, Drambo is the ultimate in almost everything I always wanted in an Elektron box. While it's missing a few features, I'm sure they'll be added in the future. If you're not sure if Elektron's workflow is for you, Drambo will definitely give you a bit of an idea.

    @onerez said:
    SO.... sorry if I am missing something. Does Drambo do all you want that the Digitakt does? If so why get the Digitakt? I’m just curious.

    I currently have the Octatrack, Digitakt, and Digitone and I use them with my iPad. The reasons to have those are endless.

    • Hardware provides a nice tactile response.
    • Hardware feels more immediate and responsive
    • Having one box do one job gives focus
    • While Drambo is deep, there are things the Octatrack can do better
    • Why use iPad CPU when you have a dedicated drum sampler
    • In some ways, using the hardware is quicker
    • Hardware is fun
  • @Jocphone said:
    Is that the reason? I thought Drambo was going to sort these visibility problems as well.

    Seriously, some like delay time, other plugins can modulate it, why not D-R-A-M-B-O!!?

    You can modulate delay time, I've already built a number of effects with it, see my latest example:
    https://patchstorage.com/analog-phaser-emulation-a-little-stone/

  • @rs2000 said:

    @Jocphone said:
    Is that the reason? I thought Drambo was going to sort these visibility problems as well.

    Seriously, some like delay time, other plugins can modulate it, why not D-R-A-M-B-O!!?

    You can modulate delay time, I've already built a number of effects with it, see my latest example:
    https://patchstorage.com/analog-phaser-emulation-a-little-stone/

    Indeed, there is Delay Rack!!!

  • @supadom said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Jocphone said:
    Is that the reason? I thought Drambo was going to sort these visibility problems as well.

    Seriously, some like delay time, other plugins can modulate it, why not D-R-A-M-B-O!!?

    You can modulate delay time, I've already built a number of effects with it, see my latest example:
    https://patchstorage.com/analog-phaser-emulation-a-little-stone/

    Indeed, there is Delay Rack!!!

    Ah, was using Delay FX which, for some reason, doesn't have the triangles.

  • @MrBlaschke said:

    This year is the year!

    I want to buy a Digitakt - the hardware i want to own for such a long time.
    With all respect to Ivar Tryti - and explicitly this video i followed and awaited the release of Drambo.

    My hopes were that i could use it on my iPad to begin learning the technics used by people who already own that device.

    I started to create a Drambo scene to create the samples with the process in the video above.
    The process itself, technically, is not very heavy on my brain - i watched that video an awful amount of times.
    So theoretically all was already in my head.

    Today i created the scene to generate those samples needed

    With this project it is possible to create simple loops/rhythms with just exchanging the single drum parts i want to have in my final file.
    I can mix samples with oscillators just like i want and for whatever i need it.
    The sample can also be trimmed inside of Drambo before i save it to my iPad.
    I can create them in several variations with just muting the channels i do not want in my final loop.

    After this process i open up my 2nd Drambo Scene-File and load these loops in their respective containers.
    I mangle the steps which consist of all the same notes with P-Lock(ed) parameters inside the Sampler element.
    After the basic recreation of the initial loop with the right timings i can just start to mangle around and simply copy/past different P-Lock parameter states just as it is done on the original hardware.

    I am very satisfied and am now sure that this training is very good until i get the real deal.
    When it arrives i am ready to map my Drambo knowledge to the hardware-box. That should be a lot easier and more fluent than starting from zero.

    So with all respect to Mr. Tryti, the other YouTube people who are doing Digitakt Tutorials and not the least @giku_beepstreet i am a very happy person at the moment and very glad to have this opportunity.

    Here is my first try with this said method - there are sure points i can refine but the main workflow is there and it most likely 100% recreatable.

    If you have comments or suggestions - feel free. I am open for this.

    I know there are other, possibly easier ways, to get the result i want. But they all relay on a different workflow and technique.
    I especially chose this one to learn for the Digitakt.

    Thanks for reading and commenting :)

    Are you going to share the project file on PatchStorage? That would be cool.

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