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Audible Demo of GarageBand iOS vs Logic?
Many of us use GarageBand iOS, and/or other DAWs, and wonder if/why we should “advance/upgrade” to Logic, etc. We’re essentially happy with our current results, but know we’re missing out on things that could potentially take our music to “the next level”, but we don’t really understand what that means. We’re told that others start a project in GarageBand, then import it to Logic to take it to this “next level”, and assume we should probably be doing the same to bring out our best work.
Usually threads like this involve Logic, etc users speaking in terms of things non-Logic users don’t really understand, and/or have no experience with. If possible, I think it could be incredibly helpful to many of us if one of you who begins a project in GarageBand iOS, then takes it to “the next level” in Logic could audibly demonstrate this by uploading an audio clip of something you produced in GarageBand iOS, then the same exact clip taken to the next level in Logic.
I don’t mean a GarageBand clip with no guitars, then a Logic clip with a searing real instrument lead guitar part layered in. I mean the same exact music, but one clip using just GarageBand, then the same clip enhanced in Logic.
If anyone could provide a demo like this I think it would be helpful to and appreciated by many. Thanks in advance!
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It’s not really a single clip. It’s the level of control that you can add in Logic. The editing tools. And the other tools. I’d have to go look around for something that is a good example.
Honestly, I don’t always move things to Logic and I probably don’t need to but I own a computer and it’s easier to finish up in Logic, maybe not just because it’s Logic specifically, but because a computer can still do many things a mobile device can’t.
Sounds like a perfect scenario. Could you possibly provide an audio clip that specifically demonstrates the increased level of control, and editing tools Logic provides that GarageBand iOS cannot provide? Otherwise your post comes across as problematically vague to those of us this thread is intended to help.
Take it to the next level could mean anything. For me its more about to add just instruments i have only in Logic or third party tools but i think also mainly it might be about mixing/mastering.
Garage Band is almost useless for mixing for me f.e.
I also like to start in Garage Band or even any iOS DAW/instrument etc. take it/or record it directly into Logic to "take it to the next level" in terms of just using my favorite reverbs, delay or adding a solo violin, piano i do not have on iOS.
That said if you are happy with what you have there is no reason to "take it to the next level".
Of course you can do wonderful final results with even an iPhone/iPad only if you like and also with just Garage Band.
I could imagine just using iOS only often but then i need my Logic and/or third party tools to take it further.
Often it is just that it is more easy for me to work on a bigger screen also and edit things further and put several small iOS projects together where my idevice fails or struggles.
Logic just has also some of my all time favorite synths included i cannot edit out within iOS Garage Band since they are not there or hidden within a player GUI.
So open a project just in Logic does not change anything nor will it take it to another level.
A good point as well. I tried to replace my laptop with an iPad and while some things there work better a DAW like Logic just has some workflow tricks no iOS DAW seems to offer.
So would it be fair to say that Logic isn’t about taking things to a more professional level, but simply about providing more options for instrumentation, effects, etc? That being said, I’m often overwhelmed with the instrumentation, effects, etc options in the iOS world. Hard to imagine there isn’t a synth, reverb, etc in iOS to satisfy everyone.
Also f.e. the midi tools you get.
F.e. take the Garage Band arp. It is a extreme stripped down sad version of the really awesome arp in Logic.
I like to use several layered arps to perform a kind of large multi polyrhythmic instruments which then sounds not like you just would play a chord and it sounds like you played several single tracks and edited the hell out of it.
This is close to impossible for me to create in Garage Band.
Then Logic has so many easy to use but nice midi FX. You also f.e. can use the Logic midi FX modulator to modulate ANY automation parameter of any Logic or third party plug-in as with just a simple "learn plug-in parameter" click.
These are also the "next level" things its midi and audio in general.
But again. If you feel great with Garage band how it is, nothing you might need then.
I’d love to hear an example of “ several layered arps to perform a kind of large multi polyrhythmic instruments which then sounds not like you just would play a chord and it sounds like you played several single tracks and edited the hell out of it.”
Of course that depends of what you need and want. Of course you can do pro sounding tracks with just iOS and nothing else. No question. I personally cannot get all the tools i want on iOS but that is no problem since i pick the best of both worlds. And it is sometimes just more easy and faster to work with Logic as i would try that with an iOS DAW, even if that also would work.
Here it also then depends sometimes a lot of the used instruments. So even if i start within iOS and then use the Logic arp i sometimes replace the iOS sounds with other instruments which can maybe sounds more expressive. That is mostly the case with sample libraries. Synths on iOS are mainly fine for me as they are.
I also have some Logic templates where i use my iPhone/iPad as midi/audio device via IDAM.
So i can f.e. trigger all my iOS apps via f.e. the Logic arp or any midi input i use with Logic and directly record the output into Logic. I also just can trigger iOS and mac plug-ins at the same time and record that into Logic.
Again, nothing wrong with only iOS really. Its awesome and in some areas better than anything i could get on my mac but mostly i indeed "take things to the next level" on my mac while it does not work vice versa.
Maybe you could do a lot of these things also 100% in iOS but for me its just more easy to stay in one big DAW like Logic which can do this.
Simple things like copy a stacked track which includes several midi FX, instruments and FX plug-ins and then make this thing an octave higher.
You also have more interesting musical quantize options which also influence the arp which are beyond simple swing etc.
Not sure if examples would help since you maybe could do the same with several iOS apps but i personally failed to do.
It really depends on what you're doing. I used Logic long before I tried GarageBand iOS. But I've used GB iOS many hours more than Logic. However, Logic is familiar to me. If I had started with GB iOS and had never used Logic, I am not sure that I would use it. I probably would use Ableton. So here is my long-form thoughts on Logic vs Garageband iOS.
For example, vocal recording, you can do single takes on iOS and you can get something decent, but in Logic you can now do multiple takes and slice together the best takes of different lines, or even words and syllables, to make one cohesive vocal. You can do correction on the pitch of a single syllable, or even change the amount of vibrato in your voice. So many other things.
As far as the reverb and delay per project on iOS, you are limited to the two buses with a set of presets. In Logic, you can change the actual delay and reverb that is used, add things before or after in the chain, create more sends, automate send levels, and so much more.
Alchemy, on iOS, is nice. But it's not editable. In Logic, you can change every aspect of a preset, or create your own.
The classic synth sounds on iOS use Retro Synth, again, very little control on iOS vs Logic.
Drummer is very decent in iOS. You have a lot more control in Logic, change the kit a drummer uses, or create your own custom kit. Drummer patterns can be converted to MIDI and edited. Yes, there is a good degree of control in iOS, but it's much more customizable in Logic.
Then, as far as working, there are hundreds of keyboard shortcuts you can use, or you can map shortcuts to midi controls. I am really only scratching the surface.
Can you do some of these things in other iOS apps? Yes. I like using GarageBand iOS because it's really easy to get rolling and use touch controls to compose. Logic has a lot of depth and editing and flexibility that is hard to achieve in GB iOS.
If you're interested, you can check out this blog https://whylogicprorules.com/quick-start-guide-part-1/ as he posted this for people who are doing to 90 day free trial.
You could also use a Cubasis to Cubase route. You could also do Gadget to Ableton. You can also do GarageBand to GarageBand! There are other options. Logic can be overwhelming. Like I said before, I had already been a Logic user since 2007, so it's kinda familiar to me.
For me, I got into logic for creation less than 2 years ago because of ios garageband. I’ve only used garageband on the Mac once or twice. Even with that, I didn’t use logic much for the first 8 months. When harrison mixbus started giving me issues once I got my uad apollo, I decided to jump into logic with both feet. I’m slowly coming to terms with it as a mix platform. For creating, it is awesome.
Also, i find touch screen to be very awkward for selecting multiple items, moving things in editing, stuff like that. I know others don’t, and that’s totally cool. I’m not known for my fine motor coordination, that’s for sure.
The biggest difference for me now is the uad apollo x8. Once I started listening through that, I realized what I had been missing before in terms of conversion and clocking. I wouldn’t have been able to understand that a few years ago, but I got some feedback from a person who mixed an album that I tracked that my equipment was holding me back. He said that I had gotten drums in phase, things like that, but that the converters I was using were not allowing sounds to have the punch and weight they should. I held off for a few months but when I finally was able to do it, the diffetenve was very noticeable and things I was tracking became much easier to mix. Still a work in progress (always).
Why did i say all that? Because ios isn’t really set up to work like that, but for me now I love it as an adjunct to my work on the computer- I use IDAM a lot, particularly using the streetlytron pro. For virtual instruments, i think ios sounds great. When you start working with live musicians or having to track multiple things at once, it gets more difficult. Not impossible, just more difficult. Better to use it for its strengths.
I’ll try to make some clips today though that show the differences between some of the things that translate 1:1 between ios garageband and logic, such as the drummer.
With that being said, no reason that great work can’t be done on ios, I’ve heard examples that blow my mind. And i haven’t tried gadget desktop, but for me that seems like an app that is much better suited for ios and touchscreen than on the computer.
Logic Pro X is 200 bucks! For that 💰 the value is astronomical! If you own a mac, it makes total sense to get LPX if you are a musician!
Lpx has a page at apple.com that gives you a rundown of things, its alot to remember off top. I recommend checking it out! Plus there are thousands of videos. Why have others do YOUR research, you know what suites your own needs better than all of us. It may be a great choice for you, or it may not. Only you can make that decision! Stay safe and healthy all!
Do not forget. There is a 90 day try of Logic now available.
The answer lies in why you wanna upgrade ?
If you explain how GArageBand is limiting you ? Maybe I can answer how Logic can help?
GArageBand on Mac is pretty accomplished too .. you can achieve great results with it ..logic is all about workflow , giving you more tools and some more flexibility .. it can’t do magic
If you are into third party plugins they can be used in GArageBand too. So with one or two key plugins GB can be even better
Example
Recording vocals was something big for me ,
And comp taking and other features really improved my workflow.. could not do this is GB.
Yeah give Logic a try and you’ll see
Sorry when I commented on other threads I kind of took for granted that everybody knows Logic and it’s features. Yeah there’s a huge gap between GB for iOS and Logic.
I don’t think that gap has to be filled completely. But a few more Logic features in GB for iOS would lift the app to a new level and make more advanced recording / editing / mastering possible.
But also with the recent GB you can create great stuff. It just requires a bit more creativity and flexibility. My respect goes out to everyone producing amazing stuff with it!
I’m just a bit Logic spoiled I guess.
I didn’t read each post here closely but for me the biggest advantage Logic has over GB is, Logic allows tempo and time signature changes. You are locked into the same tempo and time signature per song with a limited number of time signatures in GB. Logic allows you more freedom and control over every aspect of music creation while GB has more limitations.
Very helpful answers.
For me, and the kind of music I produce, it doesn’t sound like “upgrading” to Logic would be worth the learning curve, sacrificed convenience, and decreased efficiency of doing everything on my iPhone.
“Next level” is misleading else we would all producing for Britney and co, great music is great music anywhere, for me it was two
A full fledged mixer
Vocal comping - Logic has all these various advanced features
There is virtually no learning curve
Here is rough draft in GB
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ask8wvqyrzj0ejo/My Redeemer lives 2 GB edit.wav?dl=0
Enhanced it a little with MIXER in logic
No MIDI-out in Garageband. Nuff said ...
I fully agree with @Clueless - I would try to get the composition done in Garageband as good as possible and only switch to Logic when I need different sounds, in-depth editing and better mixdown options.
@AnalogCortex worthy of discussion for sure. Here’s the problem for me, which I could hopefully explain properly without a demo... GarageBand iOS doesn’t even have the same features as GarageBand for Mac, it’s frustrating. Frustrating because GB iOS is really capable, especially for composing, arranging, recording audio tracks, drummers, virtual instruments, midi to audio, etc... but for mixing your track, preserving your levels, at home mastering, it is utterly useless. GarageBand iOS has an “auto normalize” feature, and currently there’s no way to turn this option off. You can turn this option off in the Mac version. What this means is that you could have a perfectly recorded song with however many audio/midi tracks, you have set the levels on each track perfectly, essentially a rough mix, you have run your fx and compressors etc... but when you mixdown the song or export it, GB iOS will automatically normalize the signal level to 0db, making it unbearably loud, getting rid of head room, squashing the dynamic range. So what you hear inside the app when you’re recording and composing and mixing will never sound the same as when you export that file for further distribution. You can’t preserve your desired levels and proportions, and the song is too loud for any steaming platform as well. Even if you export a single stem from GB rather than a whole multi track song, that stem will also be normalized without your choice. Normally when you record and mix a song you want to leave about 12-16db of head room give or take. So then in a final mix or master you have room and dynamics to play with. With GB iOS it ruins that process, so you still need additional apps or DAWs after GB to finalize your project, to bring the volume back down, to convert some stems to mono so they sit better in your final mix, etc... this is the fatal flaw for me, the fidelity and quality is there, but you can’t actually mix and export a song out of it the way you have it set or envisioned, so it won’t sound as professional as it could. I don’t know what normalization algorithm GB uses, but if I have a song with 10 tracks, and I’ve set the output levels on each track perfectly, when I mixdown/export the song, the balance is completely off and the song is horribly loud...
Another thing worth bringing up is that GB is stuck at 44.1kHz, so if you’re working with audio for a professional video project, you’d need other software/apps to upsample to 48kHz anyway. Recording in 44.1kHZ is certainly acceptable, but 96kHz should be an option as it is with almost every other DAW, as it could achieve lower latency in some cases, and it has some other advantages with transients and aliasing. Anyway it’s mind boggling that iPad defaults to 48kHz but GB only has 44.1.
Hope this adds to the discussion.
I’ve been using Logic since version 1 when it was a MIDI only sequencer.
The things that I learnt then still apply today and there are so many little time saving details in Logic that are second mature to me that are missing in ios DAWs.
If you rely on these features when writing, editing, etc. then when using iOS the lack of these features can be frustrating.
For example, Since version 1, Logic has been object-orientated. This means that from the note to regions to a full track all the parameters are non destructive and really quick to set.
When recording new sequences I often set Logic to cycle and record new tracks without ever stopping the sequencer. Once a new region is recorded I can quickly loop it, transpose it, quantise it etc all via the parameter inspector. And I can undo these changes at any time. In real time. Nothing is destructive unless you want it to be. Not having to stop the transport to do things was game changing at the time and something some DAWs on iOS still can’t do.
You can even quantise down to an individual note. Again non destructively. The quantise tools have always been really comprehensive with parameters such as strength which lets you move notes closer to the grid but retain much of the feel of your playing. Having these parameters in the inspector is so convenient, meaning you can adjust many regions without leaving the arrange window. And fast.
Arranging regions in the timeline is really quick. You can do so many things that make arranging and composing quick and that is just with MIDI. the Audio side of Logic is equally powerful and allows all sorts of things unavailable (or long winded) on iOS. For example, when loop recording Logic can record comps and it has a nice interface for choosing the best parts from each take, which is really great for recording guitars and coals, you just keep going without worrying about anything other than performing. Auria Pro, for example, can’t loop record MIDI let alone audio.
The speed with which you can do things in Logic is completely unrivalled on iOS.
But iOS has its own strengths. I use it much more as an instrument or kind of DIY Groovebox and idea generator and for that it’s invaluable. The immediacy of apps like Blocswave on my iPhone have made iOS essential to me for making music.
I used to have a home studio. A dedicated room that was always ready to go. I no longer have that, I swapped that for a family!, and to start songs and come up with ideas I need iOS. I can use my iPad or iPhone as an instrument. With Logic I need to connect a midi keyboard and get into the right frame of mind and have enough time to get things done. On iOS I can put my AirPods in and go through some song ideas in bkocswaves in seconds.
But if you learn to make songs from start to finish on iOS, using an app like Logic might never be necessary. You don’t have 20+ years of muscle memory fighting you.
But for what logic does (or Live, etc) there’s nothing that comes close on iOS. But that’s fine.
A guitar isn’t a piano.
I just started using Logic three weeks ago because I got a Mac mini (just for Logic Pro) and I must say it’s a blast. I’m primarily monkeying around with the Instruments and loops. For $200 usd it’s an absolute steal for what it does, it’s a very capable DAW I feel very comfortable saying that with the stock instruments and effects I could sit at home all day long and crank out material and connecting an iOS device to it could make me never leave the house. Then when you add the Logic Remote app into the equation it makes Logic more fun to use. I don’t know how I feel about the mixer but something tells me I might have mixed feelings about mixing in Logic but I haven’t gone crazy with mixing yet. Logic in my opinion needs a better browser with audio file preview like Abletons but that’s just my opinion. I haven’t used third party plugins or loops yet, not even Model 15 so I have no experience with that. How ever an iOS device using idam is amazing because Logic can send and receive Audio and Midi. Idam is how studiomux should work and that opens up your iOS device so you could sequence multiple AUs in an AUM session or use NS2 as a sound module or just open an app and play it live while Logic records it as an audio track. It’s amazing. But if you have a Mac then Logic is a must. Just buy it.
GarageBand iOS is awesome but I haven’t opened up GarageBand on the Mac so I have experience with that but in my case I need more than what GarageBand offers.
For me the current preview things works pretty well
Samu I tried that but for some reason I can’t access my library folder, may have to work on that but logic loops can keep me going for a long time. Plus I don’t know if logic previews compressed audio files.
Make sure you've granted Logic Pro access. It usually ask this the first time you try to open from a new location...
After that you can browse to any folder from Logic's Media Browser...
It previews .mp4, .mp3, .m4a, .aac and just about any format supported QuickTime.
If the location is 'really odd' do a drag'n'drop from the Finder to Logic's time-line and if it's like a really odd location it will ask for log-in and password and after that it should be ok.
(I had grant Live Lite access as well before it was able to access everything).
Cheers!
Thanks Samu I’ll try that because that would really make my sample library useful on a Mac
Worked now I have my sample library. Thank you Samu. Woot woot!!! And that’s good to know about live but I got a windows laptop with that but I did install Reason but I haven’t opened it. It’s my security blanket but Logic is a nice furry, plush, blanket.