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  • This is actually why I’ve settled on using Flutter. It’s abstract enough to describe areas, rectangles, boxes etc, and their layout, without caring about device let alone screen size. I’m actually doing some stuff in flutter_web (which is a bit beta) but I think this is the future for me. Purely concentrate on design and interaction, mostly forget about implementation details (obviously I get to see rows/cols crashing on iOS/Android/web as it has live update every save, which is nice). For a long time I’ve been searching for a medium that sits more technical than pencil+paper, Illustrator/photoshop mockups, Adobe XD and the like (never used the other UI-designing packages like scritch or whatever it’s called, seems too expensive compared to my pen and a scanner).

    What I’ve always preferred is to code directly into HTML+SVG+CSS to do a mockup, which I’m very good at at that level. However, I’ve always hit limitations in two areas:
    1: the actual behavioural interaction is more limited with just raw HTML+CSS, as there’s no concept of state, all I can do is go from link to link (same as Adobe XD though).
    2: designing in html is okay if all I’m doing is web browser UAs, but I want to be even more abstract than that, so that what I do can go to web UAs, or phones, computer apps, or even watches and in future MR/AR.

    Flutter for me is looking like satisfying all of that. I hate the syntax though, it’s all C-style syntax which I really can’t easily understand because of all the visual clutter from brackets and punctuation. However, my previous crush (Elm, and Elm-UI) was a nice clean functional syntax, which took me three years to comprehend, but I’ve dropped it like a stone when I came home to quarantine as I’ve realised that in the past four years of following Elm, it’s basically gone nowhere. So, Flutter took over.

  • @MonzoPro said:
    All of my new enquires now are for building, or rebuilding Wordpress based websites, which is handy as I’ve been specialising in them for the last 15 years! As a result I’ve skipped the graphical layout stage, and install a range of templates I’ve made over the years, and modify them and the stylesheet in Wordpress itself based on client feedback.

    The two main benefits are: I’m not scratching my head trying to code some great, but difficult to build idea I cooked up in designer, and when the client has approved the layout it’s basically done. They can also check it out in real-time on a range of devices and browsers.

    I haven’t done any WP stuff for a few years now. I miss it! I spend most of my working life hacking on a monster Drupal site. Drupal is as powerful as WordPress is elegant. Drupal is decidedly inelegant (imo). It does a lot of stuff “right” (at least as far as PHP OOP goes) but it generally feels like I’m constructing a well instead of getting water.

    Web builders nightmare? ‘The lad in the office who does our leaflets has made some layouts in Photoshop, and we want the new website to look like this’.

    This pain is very very real! I miss WP but I don’t miss freelancing. Nor do I miss working at an agency, smashing things out and responding to “marketing emergencies” ffs.

  • PS. If you use CMB2 to make custom meta boxes for WP custom content types, this might be handy: https://github.com/willthemoor/cmb2-metabox-generator (try it here: http://willthemoor.github.io/cmb2-metabox-generator/)

    Honestly, no idea if it still works but looks like the CMB2 team is still linking to it so I’d guess it probably does. https://github.com/CMB2/CMB2

    Right before I got my current job I was doing a ton of WP work. Most of it involved data-oriented content types, each with a fixed set of “so they can’t break it” fields instead of allowing users to enter whatever they wanted into the RTE. I forked the above from someone else to allow for bulk field creation and it saved me a ton of time in the end. https://www.oregonconservationstrategy.org/ is an example. Fixed fields allowed for deep automatic linking, etc, without over relying on categories or tags (which users always screw up!)

  • Typed everything is the way forward. Elm, Typescript, Dart (which is behind Flutter) all enforce types. After struggling with it for ages in Elm, I saw the light and saw how you can create a dummy of an app that is basically just type declarations. Then you get on and draw the rest of the owl, but it all falls into place easier.

    Also, I used to do a few Joomla sites, ages ago. Whatever happened to that?

  • @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    All of my new enquires now are for building, or rebuilding Wordpress based websites, which is handy as I’ve been specialising in them for the last 15 years! As a result I’ve skipped the graphical layout stage, and install a range of templates I’ve made over the years, and modify them and the stylesheet in Wordpress itself based on client feedback.

    The two main benefits are: I’m not scratching my head trying to code some great, but difficult to build idea I cooked up in designer, and when the client has approved the layout it’s basically done. They can also check it out in real-time on a range of devices and browsers.

    I haven’t done any WP stuff for a few years now. I miss it! I spend most of my working life hacking on a monster Drupal site. Drupal is as powerful as WordPress is elegant. Drupal is decidedly inelegant (imo). It does a lot of stuff “right” (at least as far as PHP OOP goes) but it generally feels like I’m constructing a well instead of getting water.

    When I started working for myself 20 years ago, I built my own CMS with .php and MySQL, since there was nothing available. Then Wordpress got a proper page and menu system update, and I started using that instead. I’ve used most systems over the years, including a lot of the commercial ones as I sometimes inherit existing projects, though I won’t touch anything hosted. Tried Drupal years ago, but it corrupted a site I was testing it on so didn’t touch it again after that.

    If you want to expand Wordpress’s capabilities, Toolset is worth a look. I use that for any additional functionality requests, and so far it’s coped with everything I’ve thrown at it.

  • @u0421793 said:
    Typed everything is the way forward. Elm, Typescript, Dart (which is behind Flutter) all enforce types. After struggling with it for ages in Elm, I saw the light and saw how you can create a dummy of an app that is basically just type declarations. Then you get on and draw the rest of the owl, but it all falls into place easier.

    Strongly typed is good, no doubt. Pain in the ass if you’re learning it with a deadline looming though! At least that’s what happened to me when I inherited a typescript project with TS rules in place.

    Also, I used to do a few Joomla sites, ages ago. Whatever happened to that?

    Shopify and WooCommerce (simple WP plug-in) is what happened.

  • @syrupcore said:

    Shopify and WooCommerce (simple WP plug-in) is what happened.

    WooCommerce was a godsend, I could finally stop the nightmare of working with Cubecart and the like.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @syrupcore said:

    Shopify and WooCommerce (simple WP plug-in) is what happened.

    WooCommerce was a godsend, I could finally stop the nightmare of working with Cubecart and the like.

    The mere mention of Cubecart has me in a fit of panic. What a shitshow! There were others, as bad or worse than Joomla (which was always terrible).

    WooCommerce came along and did a few simple things right. Custom content types for product types with basic inventory management, stupid easy shipping options, great developer documentation (key for me) and it generally tried to be as wordpressy as possible instead of reinventing the wheel. That last bit was the key for adoption imo. Nerds could integrate it fairly easily and site owners could actually manage stuff themselves, right next to the rest of the site content.

    Still, managing the money part was hard. Hard to integrate third party payment processing services for nerds, pain to manage for business owners. You had to apply for a merchant account! Rules were complex. Payment was usually delayed.

    Enter Stripe. A total revelation for me when it happened. The actual bank/money bits suddenly became relatively easy. The nerd docs were the best ever. The business owner dashboards and reporting couldn’t be cleaner. They got paid in hours instead of weeks. No applications.

    Wonderful as it was (is), Stripe still required a developer to set up properly. And business owners still had to register and manage a domain and hosting etc.

    Enter social media. Well, it was already around but it became dominant around this time. “Do I even need a full on website?” is a fair question. Without full time SEO support and a full time person to react to analytics info, absolutely no one is gonna find your random WP/Woo site! All you really need is a way to market your stuff (social media) and a way to sell it.

    Enter Shopify. Great inventory management, built in payment processing, easy to add the minimal/requisite “About Us” page, almost invisible domain management/hosting. No need for a developer. Easy as pie with lots of handsome-enough site templates and business owner friendly tools (like easy refunds, marketing lists, etc).

    @u0421793 That’s what a happened to Joomla. ;)

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  • edited June 2020

    @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @syrupcore said:

    Shopify and WooCommerce (simple WP plug-in) is what happened.

    WooCommerce was a godsend, I could finally stop the nightmare of working with Cubecart and the like.

    The mere mention of Cubecart has me in a fit of panic. What a shitshow! There were others, as bad or worse than Joomla (which was always terrible).

    The day I ditched CC was the day they made it free, but added paid support. I had to make some changes to a clients website that had issues after the latest update, only to find there was nothing in the documentation or their FAQ's relating to what I had to fix, and the file system had all been changed. So basically, unless I paid to find out what was missing in the documentation, I had no way of fixing their website courtesy of the spiders web of inter-related .php files. So I reinstalled the old version, then recommended they ditch it for WC.

    Aside from the nightmare of integrating certain banks, and complex shipping stuff, I'm happy with WC. It sits nicely in Wordpress so there's a built-in way to improve SEO via targeted content, and built-in social media support.

    I wouldn't touch Shopfiy, purely on the basis that it's a hosted solution, and I like to get my hands dirty under the bonnet and keep all my tools in the shed.

  • Me, I use working copy with a github account. It suits me for static html/css pages.

  • edited January 27

    While Elementor is popular for WordPress on desktop, trying it on an iPad could be an exciting experiment. The flexibility of working on a tablet can offer a unique perspective to your web design workflow.
    For visual website builders, you might want to explore apps like Wix or Weebly, both of which have mobile versions that could potentially work seamlessly on an iPad.
    If you're seeking more insights and resources to enhance your web design skills, I recommend checking out bluecollarmarketing.ca. They specialize in digital marketing and might have valuable tips, especially for optimizing websites for mobile devices.

  • I settled on using Flutter because it abstracts areas, rectangles, boxes, and their layout without concern for the device or screen size. I'm working with flutter_web, which is still in beta, but I believe it's the future for me. Flutter allows me to focus purely on design and interaction, mostly ignoring implementation details. I've searched for a medium more technical than pencil and paper or design software like Illustrator or Adobe XD. While I'm skilled at coding directly in HTML+SVG+CSS for mockups, I've hit limitations in behavioral interaction and the ability to design for various platforms. Flutter seems to satisfy all of that, despite my dislike for its C-style syntax.

  • edited April 28

    There are some great apps out there that make it possible, like Adobe XD and Sketch. They're designed to be touch-friendly and offer a lot of the same features you'd find in desktop design software. I've seen some impressive designs created on iPads, so don't underestimate their capabilities. Of course, there might be some limitations compared to working on a desktop or laptop, but for many tasks, it can be a perfectly viable option. If you're interested in trying your hand at web design on an iPad, https://www.frogstonemedia.com/ might have some tips or tutorials to help you get started.

  • @Tarekith said:
    I mostly do Wordpress stuff through the web browser editor on the iPad, it's gotten surprising stable the last couple of years.

    +1

    I've been building sites since the 90's and used to code everything from scratch, but now I just do everything in WP, which has all the plugins you could ever want, plus it's so easy to customize and add your own code when needed.

  • @bluegroove said:

    @Tarekith said:
    I mostly do Wordpress stuff through the web browser editor on the iPad, it's gotten surprising stable the last couple of years.

    +1

    I've been building sites since the 90's and used to code everything from scratch, but now I just do everything in WP, which has all the plugins you could ever want, plus it's so easy to customize and add your own code when needed.

    How do you like Gutenberg aka. the new block editor and full site editing?

  • edited July 8

    I've tried doing web design on my iPad using a mix of apps. Adobe XD is pretty good for wireframing, and Procreate is awesome for custom graphics. For actual site building, I found that using Webflow on an iPad works surprisingly well with a bit of patience. Elementor doesn’t work great on iPad, so I wouldn’t recommend it.

    I initially tried to create a promo site for my friend's local bakery, but it turned out to be more challenging than I expected. So, I hired a company that did it for $500. They quickly developed a business card website to provide information about the bakery and its services. These sites are ideal for small businesses needing a web presence without frequent updates. You can find more information here.

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