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Lesson of the Day
Figured this might be neat to compile our various music-related lessons here. Could be a great collection of wisdom that we could all learn from.
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Today’s lesson: Don’t try to force it. If something isn’t working in the track, just leave it out.
I’ve been working on a song for quite a while. It’s my first EDM song. I was concerned that it was too repetitive and minimalist. So I kept trying to add more, but nothing really fit. After trying and trying, I decided to just work with what I have already. And I’m actually pretty happy with it.
A lesson for me about learning - and understanding the limitations of the time available.
I stopped reading the ‘Drambo is released’ thread a few days ago until I had time to go through it properly, absorbing all the tips and observations that would inevitably be in it.
As of today I have 858 comments in front of me. No, wait - 859. No, make that 860...
Nice thread Duke.
when ever you get stuck and feel like you can't take a piece of music you're working on any further give recycling what you have a shot, it might lead to some further parts of your song or some inspiration to lead you to further parts of your song. You might have a 16 bar passage and nothing else, but that 16 bars could turn into an ambient intro if it's washed in reverb, or it could turn into a bridge of your song if you gate it just the right way, chopping it up unevenly might lead to some unexpected breakdowns, Segways or fills that you hadn't thought of and of course reversing the whole thing might lead to another totally different song, or maybe you just want two reverse the 3rd and 5th track/layer to hear the same song but in a different way etc..
One of my fav things to do as someone who likes to jam things out and comp allot of tracks is to just jam out each instrument in the project until I've got something good that I like for each instrument I plan to use and after I'm satisfied duplicate that and save it but then go to town on the copy and nudge the audio in each track/layer forward and back ward, to the right and to the left sometimes subtly and sometimes extreme and this will often yield so many different variations on the theme while still keeping the original essence in tact, works well with rhythmic material and ambient material as well. If you do this with some grooving drums, bass and rhythm guitar you will almost certainly multiply the grooves you have on hand from that single passage you're recycling because everything is still in time, still in sync and just in a different place. Do something like this and add various FX into the equation and the happy accidents could be endless.
oh and keep a bag of pistachios on hand incase you get hungry or if you're like me and can't eat while you're focusing on music but you want to make somebody else in the room shut up, nobody ever refuses pistachios.
Building on the principle of parsimonious use of compositional materials: Instead of adding in a synth pad, try taking a sample from the track you’ve already built, mangling that, and using it as a pad.
I always have to look up the word parsimonious when I see it to get am exact grasp on it. I'll probably have forgotten it again by tomorrow, but for now, lesson of the day, because I don't really have lessons to teach these days, more of questions why? Could be I'm in a slump, could be I'm losing my desire to make music.
Im new to music production but with any creative process you have to enjoy whatever you are doing.
If you are trying to make something that seems trendy and not what you enjoy, you wont have the passion for it and will fail at the start.
I used to work with a lad who said he had bought some dj decks. I said oh I didnt know you were into djing and he said I got them as its cool isnt it!
Presets on synth are nice, some of them are superb..but it is more satisfying to know your synth and understand how to make it work for you. Lesson I learned time ago and that I have to remain myself.
I could be hours manipulating and doing strange noises and bleeps when I'm in the zone. Don't even record a single piece of music. Just having fun and learning the synth.
If you looking to get rich and famous, look elsewhere.
And I would add " you are in the wrong decade, that was 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s"
Damn, Billie Eilish must be way older than I thought.
😏
If you have kids, jam with them. It’s good for the heart. Just don’t release it...
My grand pappy always had a sayin',
"If a dog is chewing on a juicy lamb bone, best to leave him a gnawing, else he might end up on your lap at the dinner table and take yer beans..." or something like that.
My grand pappy was a character, he smoked a pipe and cigar at the same time while drinking scotch from a mason jar. Never really understood him too much when he'd pontificate like this, since he had a really thick creole accent from working on the oil rigs in Louisiana...so I hope this is what he really said.
Well, that's how I remember it anyhow.
Can you compare the musical importance on social life of that billie ellish against Michael Jackson or Madonna or Prince or David Bowie?... They filled up big stadiums everywhere. Can that Billie ellish say the same?
Musicians greatness had their moments and decade. There is always some singers that can rise above on every decade but now is different. It is more about stars for a day.. then forget about it.
Nothing against this lady. I really don't like her music. But I can say the same as Rosalia from my country. I don't like her at all. Many people thinks she's great.. but she will be over in a year or so... no Madonna or Kate Bush here. Only my opinion.
Man, the old codgers always gotta come in here saying how musicians nowadays aren’t as big as the “good ol’ days”. Please.
Saying no one is as good as Madonna or MJ nowadays because they don’t sell out stadiums is like saying that people didn’t used to get cancer in the 19th century.
Visibility. Technology. Accessibility. Important aspects of the modern world that you seem to be missing. Not to mention generational income gaps.
@kobamoto I like the pistachio tip. Good stuff.
@oat_phipps Can definitely understand getting burnt out. Maybe try doing something different. Play with something like Endlesss. Do some fun music stuff rather than trying to be productive with it. Or go play video games or something else that you maybe neglect because of music. Then let the natural allure pull you back into the fray.
But also if you just don’t have the love for it anymore, take time to assess that. Don’t hold onto something you used to love because you miss the feeling. If it’s not there, embark on an adventure to find something new to give you warm fuzzies.
I am not trying to promote her. Just saying she is living the dream. The dream of going from bedroom to Stadium or Grammy Stage or whatever. Good/bad is a question of taste, so no point in arguing about that.
Also, she is a still a kid. She just started, give her a minute. She might do some great stuff, who knows?
Excuse me? Codgers? I don't think I have insulted you before so please don't talk to me that way again. Ok? Good.
By the way... my comment is based on fame and richness. Can you compare that "Billie whatever" richness with Micheal Jackson or Madonna?... does she have now a big mansion? Is she relevant on all social spheres as David Bowie or Bruce Springsteen?.. Is she filling big stadiums now 2 days in a row as Ac/DC or Guns n Rose's was doing? .... don't bother answer me. The answer is NO.
Always have some real or even toy instruments around the house like cheap guitars, shakers, ukuleles, toy pianos becouse you never know when a good jam might take place + when ipad battery is low you have somwhere to go
Well Madonna wasn’t as rich and famous as MJ. So she must be considered an insignificant failure, I suppose.
"Can you compare that "Billie whatever" richness"
Billie Eilish tells you what the playing audience wants today. Being older we know what they really need but when did that ever influence pop music? They usually want something that their parents really hate so Michael, Bowie, Springsteen, Madonna, AC/DC (grandad's jam), Guns and Roses are to be avoided as the wrong thing. What's are the cool kids listening to and dancing too? Drake? Lil' Nas?
This assumes you'd like to work in the commercial space and get paid better. I won't hold it against you and will judge you for your invention and not your pandering ways.
Goals really help. What would you like to achieve? Work to get there. So when you arrive you can feel like you have some control in this crazy world.
Don’t lie, you’d kill to have as much money and fame as Billie has. Otherwise you wouldn’t be all butthurt that people made more money back in the good ol’ days.
Whoa. Every new artist SHOULD be compared to the best of the past by reasonable critics
helping the masses identify the true next wave. That's a good thing.
There has always been successful talent that just floated away overtime. Again a matter of
taste.
In 200 years what will endure as art and why? Zappa? A Good bet.
Creative output if nothing else. Our Mozart, IMHO who worked the masses with profane stage spectacle and attracted the best musicians of his era. I do tend to judge artists by which artists revere them... Stevie Wonder? Joni Mitchell? Beatles? Stones?
Billie Eilish and her brother. Probably not much acclaim unless they can navigate fame and grow like these musical icons.
You can compare if you like Mozart against spice girls. Billie ellish against Madonna. After all music is just about personal tastes? Right?
Well.... yes and no. Although it is true that there is gonna be always new artist that break the rules from the past and make some refreshing music in the present,
new music not always means better.
Old music not always means worse.
In fact nowadays happens the contrary. we could be discusing this for years and years and never goes to any agreement.I know what I listen to and I tend to listen to new artist as well as the old artist. For me there is no color. The past was way better in oh so many ways.
But that wasn't the main point here. We were discussing if new BIG artist were so famous and rich as the old ones. Maybe I'm wrong but I think "Billie ellish or whatever is name is" has not even the 1% of Madonnas richness and even less the impact on world she had. Even Lady Gaga wasn't at that level. Times are changing... no more BIG pop or rock stars.
That is dead.
Taylor Swift? Just following the money. How should we measure "BIG".
TOP 10 GLOBAL TOURS OF 2019
Other artists spent more of their time closer to home, making the top-grossing North American tours list a little different. The Rolling Stones led the way with $177.8 million followed by Elton John with $157.4 million. Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band, Jonas Brothers, KISS, Garth Brooks and Justin Timberlake also made the list.
TOP 10 NORTH AMERICAN TOURS OF 2019
Anyone getting a good lesson today?
Exactly what I meant. Most of what makes that list are in fact old artists.
Where are the NEW SHINY BIG FAMOUS new artists there? Ed Sheraan maybe.. Pink? Well ... she's been around from the 2000s... ariana grande... just a few.
If that proves anything is that maybe I was right.
But hey... if I'm wrong I will admit it. Don't have problems with that. But I don't see it from that list.
The list uses the wrong metric then... if the tickets costs $65 and up who's going?
Maybe Spotify metrics have more meaning to determine who's getting mindshare with the
youth?
This thread had potential.
Lesson of the day: the bitter ones will always ruin a good thing.
Yep, potential to go wrong
It still can.