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What is the best stereo widener auv3 plug in out there?

I used waves for years

the closest widener i found on pad0s is from the FX pack 1 for cubasis 3,

Im trying to transport a cubasis 3 session into auria and i cant find a stereo widener.

Please advise

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  • Infected Mushroom has a free Wider plugin. There's also Simplestereowidening by Joerg Knieschewski.

    Remember, the best things in life are free.

  • Haven't tried many but I suspect maybe Haaze 2 is top dog?

  • @Gavinski said:
    Haven't tried many but I suspect maybe Haaze 2 is top dog?

    There's a few ponies playing none of which run as fast as Stereo Designer by Holderness but that mustang is old school and looks unlikely to ever go into the Au3 barn (which is why I cry salty tears on most pillowcases etc) .

  • @JohnnyGoodyear i hear you but it’s definitely time to Bring on the Dancing Horses.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Haven't tried many but I suspect maybe Haaze 2 is top dog?

    There's a few ponies playing none of which run as fast as Stereo Designer by Holderness but that mustang is old school and looks unlikely to ever go into the Au3 barn (which is why I cry salty tears on most pillowcases etc) .

    Damn we’re old.

  • +1 on infected mushroom’s Wider,awesome and free

  • Stereo Designer is the best in my opinion

  • @ChanceB said:
    +1 on infected mushroom’s Wider,awesome and free

    +1 for Wider from Infected Mushroom, it's free for desktops as well :)

  • @alberto_trobia said:
    Stereo Designer is the best in my opinion

    its not a auv3, only inter app

  • @GavrielProductions said:

    @alberto_trobia said:
    Stereo Designer is the best in my opinion

    its not a auv3, only inter app

    We know. Please don't tread on our heartbreak any harder than needs be etc :)

  • edited April 2020

    Anyone notice this video?

  • @Gavinski said:
    Haven't tried many but I suspect maybe Haaze 2 is top dog?

    Introduced all kinds of phase .. which is anyways the nature of widener plugins...

    The best I had found was stereo tool by holderness .
    Brambos kosmonaut though not specifically for this .. can give you good results.
    Which leads me to the next question ?
    Is there a correlation meter plugin on iOS ?

  • @GavrielProductions said:
    Anyone notice this video?

    Great video.
    When I first glanced at the embedded graphic, I thought the top left said “avoid.protools”.

  • ⬆️ 😂

    Wow, that Wider Touch is pretty awesome!

  • @ChanceB said:
    +1 on infected mushroom’s Wider,awesome and free

    +1 very impressive and ridiculously simple.

  • Haaaze does not sound good to me, but many of Klevgrand’s products don’t sound good to me.

    My favorite widener is DDMF Directional EQ, but that takes skill to operate—no easy presets.

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    Haaaze does not sound good to me, but many of Klevgrand’s products don’t sound good to me.

    My favorite widener is DDMF Directional EQ, but that takes skill to operate—no easy presets.

    same here, DDMF have decent plugs

  • edited January 2021

    I remember I had read the app text from a stereo widener auv3 that would add random, ever-changing delay to both sides to give a realistic stereo widening result without any weird phasing sounds. something like that. does anybody know which plugin that might have been? can't find it any more...

    I just tried the Wider plugin. That one doesn't work for distorted guitars at all, it sounds like a static phaser effect or boosts a narrow frequency band or sth.... Mixbox and cubasis Stereo imager does...something. but it doesn't create a "double" signal, or a signal that appears to be off-center at all...Do those need a stereo track to begin with? The free StereoLag gives surprisingly good results with a ~10ms delay but I feel like the stereo "image" is not symmetrical.

  • Only tried the free ones. Stuck with infected mush. Result depends a lot on material. Going too wide produced nasty artefacts on some stuff.

  • edited January 2021

    Yeah I can imagine it will work a lot better with synths or other instruments that don't have such a "defined" sound as guitars, where the artefacts it introduces might be less obvious... With widener I hear a high frequency band that seems boosted, and it lowers in frequency when you increase width. but the artefact is already there with very low %. I guess in the end the best method will still be to just record twice and pan them left and right... What I did now for this song was: record 2 tracks, use stereoLag on both, but delay the left signal for the one track and delay the right sinal for the other track. This makes it sound pretty fat, and gives a clearly distinguishable "doubling" stereo effect. I like it even more than just panning the 2 tracks left and right.

  • @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Stereo Width Control by Blue Mango / Mani Consulting:

    https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/stereo-width-control/id1493044617

    Seconded

  • edited January 2021

    Can Stereo Width Control create a "doubling effect" from a mono signal or does it need stereo material?

    edit:
    found another interesting suggestion for "doubled" instrument parts:

    You can always combine real double tracking with artificial effects, to maximise the phase variation and ensure that any phase problem doesn't last too long. A very slow 100% wet thru-zero flanger, no feedback, on one guitar might be just the answer.

    from https://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/622466-double-tracking-guitars-phase.html

    When doubling the guitar part with StereoLag I hear this interesting effect where the "doubling" will collapse into a single point when a single note is played, and it instantaneously expands back into a doubled guitar when a second string is struck. I guess this might resolve that.

  • edited August 2021

    @hisdudeness said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Haven't tried many but I suspect maybe Haaze 2 is top dog?

    Introduced all kinds of phase .. which is anyways the nature of widener plugins...

    The best I had found was stereo tool by holderness .
    Brambos kosmonaut though not specifically for this .. can give you good results.
    Which leads me to the next question ?
    Is there a correlation meter plugin on iOS ?

    Hi @hisdudeness,

    We've stumbled upon this thread, and would like to point out that we've released a new widener AUv3 recently. Please check out the app description, as it refers to avoiding many issues that are mentioned above in this thread.
    https://apps.apple.com/app/id1574889552

    There is a forum thread here as well, albeit a long one:
    https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/46369/spatializer-by-quantovox-released

    On Youtube, Doug from the SoundTestRoom and Jade Starr made the most in-depth reviews, but there are shorter videos (Jamie Mallender, SoundForMore) and preset demonstrations as well.

    Hope this may be an interesting app for everyone looking for a good widener.

  • Spacializer is the only iOS app I’ve found that approaches desktop class stereo widening. But much like any stereo widener I’ve encountered (software or hardware) be very careful in use, a little goes a long way. What initially wows in headphones can ruin an otherwise good recording so always attempt to keep any channels with stereo widening unfrozen so you can easily undo any damage.

  • I’ve just recently read that Fabfilter Plug-ins like Pro Q3, Pro C2, Saturn 2 and Timeless 3 with their mide/side processing settings can be used to control the stereo width

  • @Nathi94 said:
    I’ve just recently read that Fabfilter Plug-ins like Pro Q3, Pro C2, Saturn 2 and Timeless 3 with their mide/side processing settings can be used to control the stereo width

    Working with mid/side can be a useful technique but it doesn’t save you from phase issues unless you’re careful. It’s just the nature of the beast. And Spacializer will cause phase issues too if you over use it.

    I’ll always use chorus first as a stereo widening technique and if that’s not apt for the sound source, only at that point I might turn to a stereo widening plugin.

  • There are so many options and it depends on what you want to “widen”. High freq widening can be done with ff Q side mode. Wider is a nice app to have and together with common panning it simply delivers.
    But sometimes in terms of a more broader eq spectrum for ex guitars or synths I find spatializer a must have.
    You can multiband (blue mangoo) the instrument track into 2-3 bands and then use spatializer on each band separately and work your way around placing each eq band in the desired soundfield.

  • So I didn't realise this was also on iOS, and I've rocked this on the Mac a few years now. Hilarious.
    Thanks

    @Samu said:

    @ChanceB said:
    +1 on infected mushroom’s Wider,awesome and free

    +1 for Wider from Infected Mushroom, it's free for desktops as well :)

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