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Ever check out Different Drummer or DrumPerfect? Those apps are more designed to replicate the feel of a real drummer.
@hwangman, you definitely should check out drum perfect. I'd call it the drummer's drum machine.
Sounds great, guys, i definitely will. I know part of the issue is my stingy-ness when it comes to app pricing. If the app is more than $10, i expect completely issue-free workflow, and i've seen some people on Discchord and Synthtopia mentioning some problems w/both apps.
That said, i'll do a little more research into both and see if either fits what i'm looking for.
There is a ton of great documentation about Different Drummer on this board, including from the developer, who seems to be pretty good about giving detailed explanations to stuff.
True, and it's now at a somewhat reasonable price point. I'm re-watching @soundtestroom's review of DrumPerfect and seeing a lot of potential. Again, just gotta get over my pricing issues.
+1 for Drum Perfect... Caveat: you'll have to work a bit for it, but it's worth the effort. I don't have Different Drummer, but I'm getting closer to picking it up.
I agree @dj8 If you spend some time in the mantua, you wil be amazed at the results you can get. Also, coming updates will make this amazing app even better.
I hate to be the fly in the ointment but Drumperfect is still not there for me, yet anyway. It does have a lot of potential, it sounds great but it's too frustrating to work with and I really don't like working with one pattern at a time and having to go back and forth between editing patterns and stringing patterns together in the song mode which are on different pages is not a great work flow. I would like it better if had more of a visible timeline to edit in. Once it is able to import midi files I think I'll like it a lot more.
I look forward to updates that will make it easier to use but it's not there yet.
I know others folks don't feel this way and that's fine. No offense meant to anyone.
@yowza Most drum machines have seperate pattern and song/pattern chaining views, don't they? Even in piano roll style apps (NS, BM2) you open the piano roll and then close it to go to song view.
@syrupcore Yes you're right. I haven't used NS all that much and BM2 at all so I can't really speak to that much. At least in NS when you go to song view you can see the timeline which you can't see in DP as there is no real timeline in song mode just a string of Pattern1, P2, P1, P4 etc. I feel a limitation in DrumPerfect in having to think that a pattern has to be one bar of music when I don't exclusively think in one bar chunks (maybe I'm just weird that way). Some rhythms I like to use are multiple measure rhythm patterns like samba and are too hard to think of as several single separate bars strung together when it's one rhythmic pattern over several bars.
DM1's song mode seems similar to DP's and I don't like that either. It reminds me a lot of the song mode of my Alesis HR 16 drum machine (which I still have). I guess I've been spoiled by years of using DAW like editors where I can easily scroll along the timeline and see the drum part of the whole song and edit anywhere I want even across multiple measures at a time. Maybe that moves it out of the drum machine realm and into drum sequencer and maybe I'm thinking too much.
So far Drum Studio and Cubasis have been my faves for drum programming/editing on iOS and for their ability to import/export midi drum files (which I have a lot of). I can't wait to import some MIDI files into DP and give them a more human feel with all the probability stuff which is DP's thing anyway, the thought of programming all that stuff into DrumPerfect is very daunting and I don't have that much free time.
I'm fully prepared to admit it's just me being thick. I am trying to learn and love Drum Perfect, I'm just not quite there yet.
@yowsa - what would you say is the distinction between a drum machine and a drum sequencer? I was wondering about that the other day and its still a bit unclear to me.
I'll agree that I'd prefer to work with a blend of a drum sequencer interface and a drum machine, than just an all out drum machine interface (programmer style interface which, I think it's fair to say, Drum Perfect currently leans heavily towards).
But, Drum Perfect is so powerful and effective, that I'm willing to work with the cards that were dealt and keep hoping that a sequencer interface will be layered into one of the updates.
If the developer is watching: I think you can be even more popular with a blended interface. In other words, incorporating perhaps a 3rd sequencer screen like BeatMaker. What would really knock it out of the park would be to also add a 4th screen like a full FL Studio drum grid, as well.
Oh, I added IAA as well. I did become a bit disallusioned with it, but only because it continued to sell even when the guitar synth I made didn't sell. But it makes sense that a beat making app, no matter how simple, will probably always sell better than an esoteric guitar pedal. The little bit of extra $$ I get from my apps allows me to continue living in the city (I'm a country boy). The city has everything so it's where I want to be. I'll always continue development on every app I make, cuz it doesn't cost anything and I only gain from it. I don't understand why developers abandon apps. Anyway if you already like beat machine then you'll love the update. It's coming out this month.
@dreamless said:
I feel you. The guitar synth is defo an ambitious project, many have tried and many have failed. But it is also true that if you succeed you may make some money in the process. I used to thirst after a bass synth pedal but after a bit of research I was left with a vintage 'deep impact' pedal I think from early 90's that would retail for some ridiculous money. Then there is midi pick ups but...in the end for me it was question of realizing that if I want a synth sound I should get a synth and a guitar synth will always have novelty air about it. I tried your guitar synth last night for the first time and have to say I'm impressed with the sounds but I found latency a bit high. I wonder if impaktor developer form Poland would have something to add about how to get a good latency. Impaktor works in a similar way I guess, without having to track pitch of course.
As for the beat machine I think you have enough audience so doesn't seem like a big harm that the guit synth didn't push anyway. They are all waiting for the first proper mpc style box and I think you're already quite close to delivering it.
@dreamless:
When I first got Beat-Machine, I thought it looked pretty cool, but was so slow for me that I gave it up (I think it was version 1.1 or something). With each update, though, it has been getting much better and I am finding more uses for it. Keep up the great work!
@supadom you must be using the external mic? For some reason the latency is much higher when the external mic is used. If you plug an electric guitar in it is quite low for a pitch tracker. On that note, I was able to cut the latency of the pitch tracking in half in an update so it glitches less now (currently the previous note is absorbed into the next note while the new pitch is tracked.)
@dreamless said:
I actually had my strat plugged in via Irig with latency set to lower setting.
Oh well that's as low as I could get it at the time. Mode III is the lowest latency mode. There will always be a minimum 256 audio buffer size (until audiobus gets 128 or 96khz) that determines overall audio latency, but at least I lowered tracking latency in the next update!
Actually Impaktor can force AB to run at 128 but as soon as one plugs in another app it reverts to 256. Clearly there isn't much point in having just one app in audiobus but I suspect if more apps supported 128 audiobus would handle it on latest devices without problems.
Looking forward to all of the updates!
Beatmaker 2 - either with imported samples or midied up to drumjam. All I need for drums at this point.
@b0bert0 said:
I don't know that RealBeat is intended to be a drum machine - to me, it's more of a "found sound song generator." You can do some quirky stuff in a flash with RealBeat [SoundCloud link]. Just a few drum hits and some acoustic guitar here - RealBeat handling the processing and sequencing.