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MPE sequencer, should such a thing exist?
There's just nothing out there. I was thinking about this and whether an MPE sequencer would even be worth the effort. To be effective every note would essentially have to have three envelope lanes covering it's length, the pitchbend lane would be like it's own little piano roll. I think it could be done with a certain elegance, using split windows, zoom options, etc.
Though the fact is that the amount of work that would have to go into editing a sequence of any length is significant. Maybe OK for a short riff, probably handy for making minor edits to a recorded sequence. Do we need such a thing or is just better to record the MIDI, nail the take and get on with life?
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Get on with life...
No MPE editing for me. It’s just to tedious.
Midi is fine for me as it is, jamming with one of the gorgeous Mozaic scripts, sequencing on Xequence. MPE helps me forget the machine, grab the Linnstrument and just play. And if I record, then it’s audio. If I’m out of tempo or press a wrong note I just practice until I get it right. Just like in the good old days.
Just my two cents.
I was going to say the same. At first I thought this would be great. But looking at some of the discussion on online forums, even though some daws are mpe compatible, it seems most people prefer to just use audio and re-do if necessary.
Though it would be nice to use this as a way to quickly scroll through presets on an mpe synth: just lay the midi down then try out different presets. But since there is so much opportunity for variation in what CC74, aftertouch and release would trigger, maybe even this wouldn’t work that well.
I'm thinking use MIDI loops in something like Loopy Pro when we get it. Though there's a lot to be said for just making a final decision about the Synth patch and using audio. An MPE MIDI loop can still, I guess, be manipulated to some extent, transposed and stretched. Layering would seem like a good option.
I haven’t forgotten this thread just that I’m moving to a new house and have no time at all but it’s an interesting conversation.
I also like to browse presets but rather than creating a MPE midi track I would fire any regular midi generator and Try to imagine what I could do with pressure or y axis...
Another possible way is just play with your MPE controller while surfing presets. It’s amazing the inspiration that comes out of this specially when the sound designer knows about MPE.
@SpartanClownTide I see the point but still find MPE midi editing a pain and then there is how every developer will implement it. In the case of loopy pro I wonder why Michael would spend time on it when you just can do audio? I don’t know, too much of a hassle.
I still believe MPE is for playing notes not twisting knobs 🙂 although I enjoy doing both ( something I’ve learnt to appreciate thanks to the people on this forum by the way)
I believe MIDI loops are on the road map for Loopy Pro, if not V1.0. Would take @Michael to confirm. I'm ambivalent about the idea of full MPE editing, though I can't see why MPE wouldn't work with MIDI loops. Unless for some reason it made sense to impose a strict 1 channel per loop policy, why do that? MPE comes with no added cost. The headache only arrives if you want to set up editing.
I'd say having the ability to evolve the sound separately to the performance of playing notes is quite fundamental to a lot of electronic music production. Just from my perspective.
I agree. I am increasingly getting more interested in knob twiddling than mpe, or any kind of keyboard playing, for that matter. And at least with knob twiddling, any stuck notes I get are intentional
Well, why not? Nice if there is room for everybody’s taste.
Knob twiddling... who would have said I would end loving it. I still hope I don’t forget how to move around the grid on my Linnstrument.
I don't think it's an either or. MPE expands on convention but it's usage doesn't preclude the techniques that came before.
Of course not, I like both for sure
No doubt, we badly need an MPE sequencer with comfortable editing capability. Have a look at Bitwig (on Desktop). They did it right, and no, MPE editing doesn’t have to be tedious! Bitwig mobile for iPad would be nice.
May > @Ploe said:
Has anything changed for ios... 1 1/2 years later?
@RajahP Not a sequencer but you can edit MPE on a per-note basis in MultiTrackStudio:
https://www.multitrackstudio.com/version10.php
You can even choose from fun controller data shapes:
Atom 2 records mpe midi. I'd really love to see a generative mpe midi sequencer though.
@ everyone: just a heads-up, Xequence 2.3 has just been released and also supports intuitive per-note MPE editing (and more).
For more info, check your favorite App Store or Search Engine, not gonna spam the forum any further ☺️
Hey, after that update a little “spam” is warranted.