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Ableton Live on Linux Mint? Stable?
I just receive a new PC with Widows 10. I consider deleting Windows 10 to install Linux Mint and using Ableton Live with WINE.
Is ableton works great with linux in 2020?
If someone can share his toughts it will be appreciate. I can google to read testimony, but I need an up to date commentary on this.
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Haven’t tried it but I think for me it would be as much about compatibility in regards to my plugins and hardware.
Bitwig would be much better option for Linux or sticking to windows (maybe LTSC) for Live
If you have a spare external HD around, it would be worth installing Mint on there and booting from it. Just be very careful when installing to the external disk when it comes time to install the boot manager (GRUB). By default it will want to install on your internal hard drive, replacing the regular Windows boot loader, which isn't ideal.
As much as I love Linux (super happy with Manjaro), I would never go to the trouble to try to run Ableton or any other DAW under Wine just to get out of Windows.
My Manjaro install is on an external SSD. Normally I'll just boot with that, but when I need windows, I just unplug the SSD and boot to Windows.
I tried linux for music at one point, it was such a hassle that the principle wasnt worth it. That’s when I got a used macbook and started actually finishing projects instead of tinkering with the OS all day trying to make things work.
But I agree, if you’re really adamant about using linux, go with bitwig, which will run natively.
I was in Linux desktop world from 2003-2018 and I’m tired of that and finally come out. Linux for Desktop in not yet ready for pro use. Stick with Win or Mac as we don’t have choice
I'm someone who recently purchased a Raspberry Pi to run Linux remotely for my iPad. I've used Linux before.
And I say for Ableton, use Windows or Mac. You're going to spend a ton more time configuring things that you don't want to be configuring, than actually making music if you use Linux.
If you're feeling adventurous, make a Linux USB and dual boot from it.
I gotta say, I really enjoy Manjaro Linux compared to Windows. It's the first distribution that I've not walked away from after a week or so over the years. Snappy as hell on my old Toshiba notebook too.
But, not for music. I have not the patience to use Linux for that.
Lovin' Catalina on my recently acquired refurb 2015 MacBook Pro though. I haven't cracked open the Linux/Windows PC since it arrived.
You might be better using an OS designed for real time audio. There are a few. I was trying Ubuntu Studio a bit and it seemed okay, but with Linux you spend a lot of time fiddling with things not music related. So, if you like that then good. Also, if you are putting Wine on anyway you might as well use Windows. At least the GUI would be different if using Linux with Wine. I really don’t like the Windows 10 GUI.
I thought about doing this to my little surface tablet but have decided against it. I was going to do a dual boot, but was worried the software could start overheating it as it may not be optimized and it’s a small tablet. I wasn’t going to use Wine though.
What are the strengths of Manjaro?
Where are the great music programs for it? You'll usually only find them in commercial hardware 😉
Compared to Windows, or to other Linux Distros?
Compared to Windows ... probably just that I'm sick to death of it after all these years. But also, Manjaro is just way, way faster on that old notebook.
Compared to other Distros? Nothing major, but it was just a smooth and hassle free install that looks great and works well. I'm not a fan at all of Gnome and the Ubuntu style desktop. I prefer XFCE desktop, and the Manjaro out-of-the-box configuration is just how I'd like it. I like that it doesn't use Systemd startup. I didn't have to jump through a bunch of hoops to get my VPN client working, and I like the Debian package manager. A possible downside is it's not a rolling-release distribution, so upgrades might be a hassle.
It's probably comparable to Mint for all intents and purposes. It just happens to be the one I tried last, and it has been good enough that I don't feel the need to look further.
I agree that your best bet to make music with Live is to stick with Windows. IF you are interested in exploring the possibilities of music production on Linux, AVLinux has a new release that came out last month. I have been poking at Linux music production for a while and, as has been mentioned, spent more time trying to get everything configured than playing or making music. This release of AVLinux is the easiest Linux distro I have ever tried to setup for music production. Hell, it is one of the easiest Linux distro’s I have ever installed and configured period. It comes with Ardour for DAW and a demo of Harrison Mixbus Console. I installed it on an older laptop with a new SSD. I’m liking it enough I’ve started researching a snappy, new, lower cost box to put it on.
I second Bitwig for a Linux DAW. Quite useable on my Ubuntu laptop
Ubuntu studio comes with a bunch already installed, but otherwise you need to do a lot of searching on your own. I turned my old Windows laptop into a computer running this, but I really just don’t have time to be fiddling with it that much. I did put VCV Rack on it and was playing with that for a while. SunVox works. There are countless programs to use just like anything else.
You can find a bunch of information here https://linuxmusicians.com/
I’m confused as to what you are mentioning is usually only found in commercial hardware.
Indeed you can find Real-time OS and OS optimized for audio in various hardware boxes.
What I meant to say is that no matter how great an OS can be, it's the availability of software that usually doesn't let you choose which OS to run your music software on.
Whenever I see people using Linux, they're either lucky that what they need is available or they reduce their requirements and adapt their workflow until it matches the software.
It can be a good thing to do that but most people want liberty and choice.
I keep hoping Ableton will work on Linux. But as others have said there are so many it's and buts you spend all your time messing around with the OS. I'm always vaguely puzzled why there never has been a Linux version - there might be a technical reason, or it might be more political. Who knows.
I've been interested in an OS called ReactOS - the aim is to make an open source alternative to Windows which is API compatible and runs as a Virtual Machine. I guess it's to support old applications that were designed for Windows 2000 (and earlier) that don't play nicely with modern Windows. I've downloaded the latest release and was going to test Ableton (prediction: won't work). I did try the desktop Nanostudio 1 - which didn't work at all. So really not much hope for anything like Ableton. I guess the real-time nature of these applications is never going to be great in Virtual Machines, but in the absence of Linux editions of Ableton the next best thing would to run Linux as the host and a Virtual Machine that runs Ableton.
Or I could stop messing around with Operating Systems and start making some music in Ableton running on Windows.....
Great post! Do you know if it's more demanding on my CPU to use Windows on a Vitual Machine?
Yes. Rather than just the overhead of a single operating system, You have the overhead of the host OS, the guest OS and the the emulation layer. Far more ram is required as well. Virtual machines are great for many things, but they come at a very high resource cost.
Some hardware and operating systems support virtualization technologies that can help, but it has to be supported in the HW, and OS, as well as the virtualization software. Getting these things to work involves diving into the bios of the PC and probably into the operating system configuration as well.
Every platform has to be supported individually which has to pay off somewhat and while Bitwig is written in Java, Ableton is written in C/C++ AFAIK so porting it to a different platform is not just a matter of a few mouse clicks.
Bitwig Studio 3 runs on Linux and it's a close alternative to Ableton, so here you go, "Ableton" running under Linux natively.