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Are bluetooth midi dongles worth it?

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  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @ralis said:
    If you think running around the living room naked jamming on a keytar is fun then yes they are worth it

    Are you spying on me? 🧐

  • ralisralis

    I had to get the idea somewhere! And it is so much fun I do it myself as well!

  • heshes
    edited May 2020

    @knewspeak said:

    @inakarmacoma said:
    Would rtpMIDI via network be a free solution without BT?

    It is but you need a PC and you get lots of latency.

    I've had rtpmidi connection working between my Raspberry Pi and iPad. Both were connected to a home router in the same room via wifi. There was some latency playing the keyboard on the iPad, I'm sure, but at the time I thought it was probably less latency that I'd get with bluetooth. You can see video of it here, with me briefly playing the keyboard at around 2:57 in, sound is coming from Pianoteq VST on Raspberry Pi feeding output to my stereo amp. Warning: My video skills are really bad.

  • heshes
    edited May 2020

    I think there are a couple different "USB wireless Midi" systems out there that have much lower latency than bluetooth, and also maybe more reliable connections. But they're more expensive, too. Here's one of them, $450 for the system (receiver and transmitter):
    https://www.patchmanmusic.com/MidiJetPro.html

  • wimwim
    edited May 2020

    I’ve never felt like latency is an issue with Bluetooth midi. It can’t handle MPE mode from my Sensel Morph, but for normal stuff it’s fine.

  • espiegel123espiegel123

    @hes said:
    I think there are a couple different "USB wireless Midi" systems out there that have much lower latency than bluetooth, and also maybe more reliable connections. But they're more expensive, too. Here's one of them, $450 for the system (receiver and transmitter):
    https://www.patchmanmusic.com/MidiJetPro.html

    Bluetooth MIDI (not audio which is a whole different thing) has very low latency.

  • rs2000rs2000

    I can confirm the experiences of @wim and @espiegel123, BT audio and BT MIDI latencies are like night and day.

  • auxmuxauxmux

    Bluetooth midi is much more reliable than rtpmidi, tried for years to get latter to work and the latency is intolerable.

  • heshes
    edited May 2020

    [Deleted post regarding test that I thought showed bluetooth midi lag, but which actually only showed bluetooth audio lag.]

  • wimwim
    edited May 2020

    @hes said:
    Hmm, I'm surprised. I wouldn't call the lag I get with bluetooth acceptable for my purposes. Maybe somebody would. Here's a recording that clearly illustrates the lag I hear with bluetooth. You can read the description on soundcloud page if you want to know what you're listening to.

    There is indeed something really bad wrong there. I don't know what, but that definitely isn't normal BT Midi lag in any way.

  • heshes

    @wim said:

    @hes said:
    Hmm, I'm surprised. I wouldn't call the lag I get with bluetooth acceptable for my purposes. Maybe somebody would. Here's a recording that clearly illustrates the lag I hear with bluetooth. You can read the description on soundcloud page if you want to know what you're listening to.

    There is indeed something really bad wrong there. I don't know what, but that definitely isn't normal BT Midi lag in any way.

    Thanks! You're right. I'm an idiot. I was actually illustrating bluetooth audio lag. I somehow didn't realize that I was listening to the iPad from a bluetooth audio speaker (in addition to driving ipad synth via bluetooth midi) so the lag I was hearing was the audio lag. I tried this once before, the same way, a long time ago, and I've avoided bluetooth ever since because of that mistaken test. Actual latency is quite good; I can only barely detect the difference between the FP-10's built in sound and the sound on the iPad, listening with a headphone speaker from FP-10 in left ear and headphone speaker from iPad in right ear. Good to know!

  • jolicojolico

    Updates firmware of the Yamaha midi Bluetooth dongle:
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/md-bt01-ud-bt01-utility/id1063901794

    Midi connection problem solver:
    https://apps.apple.com/us/app/midimittr/id925495245

  • supadomsupadom

    @espiegel123 said:

    @hes said:
    I think there are a couple different "USB wireless Midi" systems out there that have much lower latency than bluetooth, and also maybe more reliable connections. But they're more expensive, too. Here's one of them, $450 for the system (receiver and transmitter):
    https://www.patchmanmusic.com/MidiJetPro.html

    Bluetooth MIDI (not audio which is a whole different thing) has very low latency.

    I think it is quite good. I was pleasantly surprised by latency of my nanokey studio but I still find it quite bad for percussive stuff.

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