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A paradox of digital music that I've never been able to answer.
Physical musical instruments are continuous chaotic systems -- the nature of life itself manifesting as a function of time. It is in our interaction with them that we push the system to the limits of its extremity before reining in that infinite universe of chaos to create form. By such action, we create a window through which the absolute visceral beauty of the endless can be observed and experienced.
A binary system is discrete and finite by its nature, with all possible results theoretically calculable. How can life be created from an initial state of permanent motionlessness? It seems that we are just exposing small parts of the surface area of a static object.
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Digital music, existence no less....ponder....
"I'll have whatever he's having"
In seriousness though, I've had many a profound experience listening to stuff made of 0s and 1s.
'How can life be created from an initial state of permanent motionlessness' - Well, it wasn't permanent, in that case it was temporary.
But this also reminds me of the old argument that we need to posit a god to explain the origin of life. Problem is, then you need to explain what created god, and so on ad infinitum.
Also, if you think about it, nothing is ever experienced in a purely digital way, because it makes contact with out human, all to human, ears, eyes etc, that lend a potentially infinite variety to how it is actually perceived.
The binary mud elephant wades through the sea.... but leaves no tracks.
Sounds do not need to have infinite precision in order to be beautiful. If the detail level of digital audio is close to the maximum level of detail you are capable of hearing that is good enough for you to hear beauty through a digital medium.
My lazy answer is the power of mind, intention and will. I absolutely adore Autechre - and that's arguably very 'inorganic' music. Yet there was an intention to create, it didn't come from nothing, and it moves me. That's got to count for something.
Yeah, the pleasure I get from listening to what comes out of that OPL synth is proof that the organic and infinite is overrated 😝
There is no true difference between real and virtual instruments ... Every creation you make is result of electrochemical processes in your brain. Whole model of reality around you is inside you brain, constantly updated by senses ... Just think about fact that technically you brain does not make any difference between seeing real object and between just imagining same object with closed eyes - on MRI you se exactly same actvity in both cases.
What tool you use (real physical instrument, some application) is just manual / mental knowledge, learned by practising, which your creative part of brain is using for expressing abstract concepts (eg. music, painting, anything)
Btw. at quantum level all world around you is discrete (quanised) too, even time is most probably discrete at planck's scale ...
Quantum fields. Between 0 and 1 there's another infinite...
You can call it coincidence but that's not how it truly works.
I am playing 0's and 1's - is that not what you are perceiving?
Turn the grid off
Don't use a tuner - use your ear.
Perform / record
All the way to the sophisticated peak of a complex sentient organism such as a human being or crow or wasp, you’d think that’s so complex as to be indivisibly organic and so multivariate as to be unpredictable.
But in essence, every decision a person makes can be broken down into binary primitives.
Once sensory stimulus comes in, should I act or not act?
If I act, should I go toward the stimulus or away from it?
If I go toward it, should I go directly at it, or around it?
If I go around it, should I go left-y or go right-y around it?
And before you know it, those binary decisions multiply up in complexity into all the civilisations of Ancient Rome and Greece and beyond, dogs in space.
Dogs in space? I prefer pigs...
*Also, pre-emptive apologies for undermining the deep philosophical roots of this thread. Carry on!
Say no more. https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/endlesss-multiplayer-music/id1439811325
I agree with @dendy.
Binary systems can be made to sound like physical instruments too, it's just a lot more work to achieve that (and I'm not talking about digital recordings but rather modelled instruments).
It can be the very litte details that make a difference when added all up.
With sufficient granularity you can model analog stuff in binary such that we can't detect the difference.
the physical/digital distinction is misleading. many processes found in nature exhibit quasi-digital behaviour, like our brains, whose neurons fire in patterns of binary (on/off) states. on the other hand, you can build abstractions of top of a digital systems that very much resemble the chaos of the real world. let a few relatively simple systems interact and you will generate complexity and emergent behaviour that is reminiscent of natural processes (think of genetic algorithms or flocking simulations). throw in some non-deterministic behaviour or (pseudo)randomness and the results definitely aren't calculable.
To err is human. Instrumentation of any kind is but a lens peering into the infinite for when consciousness and spirit leads the charge, the quest for the eternal becomes manifest in the very actions we take throughout daily life.
We don’t need better instruments to embrace and ride the wave of chaos, we just need to retune our nervous system to be in harmony with the music of the cosmos to witness its sonic manifestation in our lives.
To explore and struggle and succeed is human regardless of the tools used, for the spirit and the will have been given to us to use and inspire our brothers and sisters.
Love what you do and love sharing what you do in the service of others and the music will resonate in eternity in the hearts minds and spirits of those who cross your waves of action 🙏🏼💕
Or as my grandpa use to say, “It’s not the instruments you use...it’s the music God put in you to share with the world that matters.”
Actually they don't. The brain (and the nervous system as a whole) is actually pretty analog.
You can certainly simulate analog processes with digital processes. Though it's possible some things involving feedback may prove impossible to simulate accurately. Non-linearities is one area that is hard to simulate properly in digital.
If you watch TV, do you see pixels?
If you listen Digital music, do you hear 1’s and 0’s ?
Note on, note off
that's not simple... yes, underlying processes in brain which are responsible for transfeting stimulus between neurons are analog, but their result (consciousness, self-awareness which arises from complexity of neuron connections, may be different topic)- it is unclear if consciousness is computional process (current nainstream science explanstiin) or there are involved some non-computional elements (for example quantum decoherencd inside neuron's microtubules)
Neuron interaction is frequency based. They fire faster, not harder. Firing/not firing is binary, but the rate of firing increases with activity.
01000110 01101111 01110010 01110100 01111001 00100000 01110100 01110111 01101111
@dendy - nobody can even come up with a coherent definition of consciousness, or self-awareness.
Certainly whatever we perceive as 'self-awareness' is very different to what's going on in the brain. Also fun fact, our conscious brain is too slow to control our bodies. Raising the question of what is the point of the conscious brain (the most plausible explanation being that it operates as a way of tuning our response to future events, by learning from experience).
But at a very simple level, models of the very simple neurons you find in the spine have been built which demonstrate how they allow us to walk. And they do basically operate as a (surprisingly small) analog computer. It's all feedback mechanisms, and self-oscillation. Very cool stuff, and surprisingly simple compared to the stuff that AI people have tried to do algorithmically.
Also the quantum stuff annoys me, given that we can't even model accurately (and thus explain/predict behavior) or a a very simple brain as you might see in an insect. So I really fail to see what all the quantum mysticism achieves other than selling pop science books I guess.
Seriously, I think the thing forgotten about digital is that it is never truly what we hear; it exists alone in an electrical process. It always transitions to analog so we can hear it.
I got so gung ho with iOS music production when I saw that it combined the touch feedback & immediacy of the old Tascam PortaStudio's I loved to record with along with genuine studio quality digital tools found on laptops/desktops.
Because while I'll admit while I was never a "Oh digital? It sucks." analog fanboy, I was originally skeptical of a lot of digital tools; up until like 4-5 years back I wasn't sold completely. But now we're in like the uncanny valley of digital audio. It's like the Marvel movies that have gotten so crazy with the digital vs. practical effects. You used to see the dividing line, now it's so smooth you can't.
That DDMF stereo compressor is so good it doesn't "sound" digital at all... It sounds like a box of tubes & transformers.
@OscarSouth, a very well stated question. However...
1/ Anything actual is possible- Aristotle
2/ This is a forum dedicated to making music from binary gizmos.
3/ it is a shibboleth to believe the human imagination must be consigned to any limitation or construct.
4/ You, yourself, and your involvement in making music from “non musical” forms answers your own question.
5/ There was nothing in the block of marble Michelangelo used to carve the Pieta. It was simply a chunk of rock.The form existed entirely in the artist’s mind. Any material can be used to express an intention.
6/ The artist uses material to communicate his/her intention to a receiver. The material is irrelevant.
I would rather ponder does art exist if it is not expressed in form but only in the creator’s mind? And is it art if it is not perceived by another consciousness? Would the Mona Lisa be art if no one ever saw it?
I am guessing it is the communication, not the material, that turns it into art.
Believe me, i'm the one who hates overusing of term "quantum" especially by various new age pseudoscience people ;-) I'm studying quantum physic (not at school, just in me free time) for years from rigid science point of view.
Theory which i mentioned (Orchestrated OR, or in popular science called "quantum conscriousness" theory) is not new, it is probably around 15-20 years old ... it was established by two scientists - Stuart Hameroff (anesthesiologist and professor at the University of Arizona) and Sir Roger Penrose (one of brightest minds in theoretic phycics). If somewhere is involved Roger Penrose it is definitely not pseudoscience ;-)
They even posulated some things , which are result of their theory, and through those things were not known to science when they started, as years passed, lot of things they postulated were proved to be real. So - it's interesting alternative with wast implications, although if course it is misinterpreted often and misused for spreading pseudoscience bullshit - of course because it contains "quantum" in name
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