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Humming / singing to midi based songwriting/ composition tools?
Can anyone recommend any voice to midi based songwriting/composition Tools?
I am currently experimenting with Melody Miner by tunedra which works beautifully however is seriously limited by the ability to only export midi for the vocal track itself and not its corresponding accompaniment
Also looking into humbeatz
If anyone is aware of any other good tools for this please let me know
Thank you!
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I tried Humbeatz and was not impressed whatsoever. I haven't tried Melody Miner because I get an awful screeching noise when I try to open it... Anyway, there is an opportunity for a simple tool to convert voice to MIDI in the iOS market--especially if it is available as an MIDI AUv3. I think @danielfromcodalabs said that he might look at this as part of the AudioKit projects. Let's hope he takes it on as the AudioTune app that they just release gets us much of the way toward the "promised land".
I too really hopes he does create an app with this MIDI functionality.
ThumbJam is the only satisfactory one! it has looping and voice/mic to midi.
https://patchstorage.com/pitch-tracker-v2/
Symphonia does voice to midi. I just gave it a quick test and my singing converted to an out of tune midi track, so it definitely works. You can export midi, but I've not tried to do this.
Huh, I never even thought of the need for this before, but would be so useful. Time to pull Thumbjam out again and give this a go, cheers.
This is what I use. It works great . Never recorded the subsequent midi though.
Symphonia midi export works very well.
Just tried Symphonia, absolutely butchered the timing of the notes I sang into it. And they are trying to charge a hefty subscription price for this? No way Jose. Doesn’t cut it at all. Maybe fine for very simple things, but in that case, you’re better just playing it in yourself. Wouldn’t recommend this at all.
Thank you for this!
I have not bought drambo yet, if this is capable of actually producing midi I will
Would you mind confirming for me, can this actually output midi when inserted on an audio track within a DAW or does it just control the internal oscillators and resynthesize the incoming audio this way?
It's not a simple "plug and play" solution. I've marked it "work in progress" because it needs fine tuning to your material and it doesn't work well with all kinds of sound sources.
If you need a simple, straightforward solution and aren't interested in getting your hands on this Drambo project on patchstorage then I would say you'd be better off with Jam Origin MIDI Guitar. It's not an AUv3 plugin though!
Another app to check out is Apple's own "Music Memos" app.
If you are interested then I'm happy to continue working on the Drambo project with your help 😇
@rs2000
Thank you for this!
If I already owned drambo I would DEFINITELY take you up on this but at the moment I am not sure if I will take the plunge- if I do, I will definitely be in touch and will help any way that I can
One question, is drambo capable of sending midi from a host that does not have that midi routing functionality built in to an instance of an audio effect? I'm thinking of routemidi and VoiceSynth as auv3s that have midi routing that bypasses the host
Whenever you feel like it 😉
If you mean routing MIDI between different instances of Drambo then no, none that I know of.
Like @rs2000 says my suggestion would be Apple's Music Memos. I dunno if you can get the midi out though, but the times I played with it, seemed to do what it says on the tin.
I mean midi routing between an instance of Drambo and ANY external midi bus,for instance if I insert an instance of drambo on an audio channel in zenbeats, would it be possible to configure drambo to output midi to a midi bus connected to AUM? This would require that drambo has the ability to bypass the host midi routing similar to the way routemidi or voicesynth get around DAW limitations
That definitely works in AUM, yes. All you have to do is place a MIDI OUT module somewhere inside Drambo to send MIDI to AUM.
Here, you see Drambo on an audio channel, sending MIDI at the same time:
And here's the MIDI routing:
@rs2000 I'm interested in working with you on the voice to MIDI in drambo. I tried what you have so far and I can't figure out how to get audio in! Even with your description of how to do it...
OK, use this order of modules:
1. Generator > Audio Input module
2. Processor > Processor Rack module
3. Load my preset from patchstorage into processor rack
When you sing into the iDevice microphone, you should hear the pitch (more or less!) follow your voice. Turn the knobs to improve detection, the rack contains some text about how to start.
It works better if you're using a headset plugged into the microphone/headphones port.
I don't have the time now but first try to make the pitch follow your voice.
Only when that works well, it's worth converting it to MIDI (whatever you want ... CC? Notes?)
Good luck, it needs a bit of patience.
If you can't get it to work OK, send me a recording of your audio via PM and I'll have a look on how to optimize it.
I don't think that's what @annahahn was asking about. I think what's being asked is whether the AU Drambo can bypass the host midi routing and go directly out to a Core Midi port. For instance, being able to set the input port of a different host in the midi out module. You're showing there that Drambo can route out to the host and that AUM can route that to different hosts. This is different.
If that's what you're asking @annahahn, the answer is no. Drambo can route out of itself only within the host that's running it. You can't select another host or app as the target of the midi out module within Drambo as you can with Midi Route.
@wim, @annahahn
Yes, I have never seen an AU that can bypass the host and access a CoreMIDI port directly.
MIDI Route from MIDI Tools by Victor Porov (Atom Piano Roll Developer) has this ability.
It can be used to work around Core Midi routing issues with hosts. For instance, enabling recording of AU Midi FX output in BM3 by sending the midi out to BM3's virtual port so that it can be received externally to be recorded.
@wim thank you this is exactly the functionality I am speaking about!
Are you aware of anything like Midi Tools that runs on iPhone? Looks like that one is iPad only, I have RouteMIDIApp which is ok but never remembers which port I have it set to when I load a project. Was hoping to find an iPhone friendly alternative with the same functionality + better state saving
No, sorry, I don't think there's any iPhone compatible alternative.
What are you trying to do? There are sometimes other ways to accomplish the task by routing out to Audiobus, MidiFlow, MidiFire, AUM, etc and then back in, for instance, as a way to record AU midi output in NS2 iPhone version.
I've set things up as you suggest but it just auto-plays the notes in an endless loop and doesn't respond to the microphone I have hooked into (I can hear the audio input with my headphones so I know it's working).
Sure, I've put a sweeping oscillator into the rack to demo the concept.
To use it with external audio, it has to be replaced by the Audio Input module.
Let me work on the rack, there are a few housekeeping issues to be done first.
I'll post an update when I'm done!
Good lord, every time I see a new comment about ThumbJam I learn something new about it. What an incredible app
@annahahn, @Paulinko, @lukesleepwalker
Please try this:
https://patchstorage.com/pitch-tracker-v3/
It's still far from perfect and works much better for audio with low treble content than with bright sounds but it's certainly a good starting point.
The patch does a good job of converting the audio into synthesized saw waveforms👍🏽. Is there a way to convert the audio to MIDI out in Drambo?
Good to hear! 😇
I've updated my patch on patchstorage with rudimentary MIDI output.
Thank you for the updated patch with MIDI out. At some point it would be nice to use Drambo to capture the voice level changes for the voice too.
Here’s how I got some notes and volume control from the voice to MIDI in AUM
It was nice to be able to generate some synth output from audio input that was not just the usual vocoder distortion. Having this process all integrated into an app with everything optimized for tweaking to your purposes would be quite nice despite being able to get decent results with this more hodgepodge approach which is nice to have when my previous alternative wasn’t so great.