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I’m still waiting for the “Caribbean queen” section in the song. Played it a couple of times. Must be buried in the mix somewhere.
Probably.
But when it comes to tasks like this it isn’t always about whether something can be done but how much the tools help you achieve that in the first place.
You can move house by stuffing all your belongings in the back of your hatchback and making multiple trips. Or you could stuff the whole lot in a big removal lorry and do it in one go. And you’ll be able to bring your wardrobe and double mattress too.
Logic makes it much easier to achieve the initial result. You could probably get close with AP but it would be a lot more like hard work and after a while it would get very frustrating. And you’d still need to collect the wardrobe at some point.
But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t or couldn’t do it in AP or any number of tools.
I’m sure that Finneas and Billie would still have made a hit single if they used iPads exclusively.
:-)
With both parents in the entertainment industry, they could have slammed rocks together and it would’ve “accidentally” gone viral.
Their parents are actors, but not particularly famous or well-connected. What's undeniable is that the music that Billie and Finneas make resonates with millions of teenagers all over the world. No-one can plan for that to happen. Most acts that have money invested in them by record companies and management svengalis flop.
Personally I think it's great to see something more left-field than Ariana Grande achieving all of this success. Sure the viral origins etc are exaggerated, and they have had a ton of money invested in them by the management company - but so did Elvis, so did the Beatles and the Stones etc... To achieve mainstream success almost always involves a huge team of people behind the scenes doing marketing, PR, and plugging, but that's not unique to Bille Eilish so it's a bit weird to single her out for that. PR is as old as the music industry itself.
The point is that normal people will probably never be as successful as the elite just by using the same compression settings or devices as them.
I'm willing to bet if I put these effects and settings on my vocal it would sound like crap. Mainly because I would be starting with crap.
As someone who enjoys making music I also enjoy listening to Finneas share his techniques and his ideas, because he's an interesting and creative guy. No need for jealousy or bitterness, just pure curiosity.
And for what it's worth they were more-or-less regular kids (slightly hippie homeschooled background maybe, but not-super rich or elite in any way). What made them successful was their talent. Billie Eilish has a once-in-a-generation voice, and they have single-handedly turned pop music on its head. Good for them.
Serious question, but do you think it might be because they have tried to pretend that BE is all bedroom recorded, miracle talent, done it all on their own etc. That's sort of the impression I get.
Lana Del Rey did the same thing though, Video Games being supposedly a viral YouTube hit from a completely independent artist. It wasn't, it was backed by a label.
And for what it's worth Billie and Finneas did record the whole album in their bedroom, that bit is true. The Logic files were sent off for a final mix polish and mastering, but 90% of it was done at home including all the vocals. They never set foot in a recording studio.
I think it's the origin story that people question: was Ocean Eyes a purely viral hit on SoundCloud or was there a PR campaign behind it? Her voice is so extraordinary that I'm willing to believe it was a pure viral hit, but who knows?
Yep, who knows indeed. I must admit I got a kick out of hearing the same crap and bleed in the background of the vocal takes as I get here. I suppose I am just skeptical of stories like this but no studio time is pretty impressive to achieve this. It's funny how the video presenter keeps commenting on how strange the mixing techniques are. Almost like Finneas had no idea what he was doing and just used his ears.
I have listened to and read a number of interviews with mixing and mastering engineers. You might be surprised at how often they speak of adding EQ and compression in fractions of dB’s.
A friend and I were in NY back in the 80’s and he said, “Let’s go see my friend Ted Jensen”. I specifically remember two things about that visit. One was the row of tapes on the shelf with names that we all know. And the other was listening to a song he was working on by a very famous female pop star.
It was the loudest I ever listened to music outside of a live show. It was also absolutely clean. I have never heard sound that loud and that clean before or since. That’s where you hear those differences. Does the average listener hear them or even care? I doubt it. 😬
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Jensen
I haven’t spent much time in Logic yet, but loving all the goodies in this new update. It’s definitely tempting me out of my Ableton bubble a bit.
Btw, Is the Beck demo that was included in an earlier version still available? I only see the Eilish song in my install.
I think the video above shows it is still there. Or at least he browsed to a location and showed 2 folder projects for previous demo sounds and sounded quite satisfied about it. Beck = satisfaction right?