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Are the New UI elements in Logic Pro X 10.5 made to be touch friendly?
All of the new plug-ins, devices etc in Logic 10.5 have a very different look to the old Ui.
Here's Ultrabeat, from about 1974:
And Here's an example of the new Drum Synth:
Massive difference. The UI on ultra beat is practically illegible on my 15" MBP screen. And clearly impossible to use with a fat finger. It's hard enough to hit the touch targets with the trackpad...
The new UI for the Drum Synth looks like the UI to a touch screen device. Mac OS 11 looks more iPad than Mac too.
It looks to me like the new stuff added to Logic 10.5 is made for iPad... Or, just a thought, maybe ARM Macs will have touch screens?
It would be funny if the Pro-apps on iPad rumours turn out to be Pro apps for a touch screen Mac instead? I would have thought a touch screen Mac would still be mouse/trackpad/keyboard first, but it will be interesting to see how much Mac and iOS features converge over the coming years.
Logic Pro 11 might just be a touch screen friendly app. Just maybe not on iPad.
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I don’t really see the point of a touchscreen in a regular computer; having to reach over the keyboard to touch a screen at an awkward angle, that you probably need to hold in place with your other hand, seems very tiring. I don’t have any experience with touchscreens other than phones and tablets, though, so maybe I’m missing something.
I would have said the same yesterday.
But Mac OS 11 is looking a lot like a touch based interface. Plus the ability to run iOS apps directly with no mention of how multi touch will work...
Add that to the new features in Logic 10.5 having UIs with huge touch targets...
I’m not saying it will happen (and wouldn’t bet on it) but it’s fun to speculate.
It’s possible that the Logic UI is becoming cross platform — Mac and iPad.
But there is a faint possibility that the ARM Macs might actually be touch screen. Stranger things have happened. And people seem to like their MS surfaces.
A while ago apple did some research on this and found out that it is not practical and people don't like it much. Neither conceptually nor ergonomically. That was their official position.
On those windows hybrid machines, whenever someone wants to point at something on the screen and accidentally touches the screen they perform an actual click and everybody gets really really annoyed
I really hope apple won't go down this road...but wouldn't be surprised if they did at some point.
But ultra beat also got higher res now and Sculpture also (some updates before) but they are still not updated as some others. There are more which are far from ready to a multi-touch GUI.
A lot things would be ready for it and some looks even better as some iOS apps.
But not sure if their goal is that at all. It might be just the all new modern flat vectorizable look all seems to like now. I mean i find their new GUIs really nice. ChromaVerb has the nicest GUI ever in any reverb (o.k. second maybe).
I do not think they will add multi-touch to mac. Then i more believe in a slow GUI transform to a point where it would be Logic 11 cross platform.
But multi-touch is already usable via a trackpad. Then the touch bar is quite interesting for Logic.
Even real velocity and MPE is now usable via a trackpad (due to apps like AudioSwift).
This way plus short cuts it already works so fluid and much much faster than i could imagine it for a multi-touch screen. I still find a tablet should be a tablet and a notebook a notebook.
So Logic for iOS should change much more.
I still hate that they even killed more expressive multi-touch (3D touch).
When i think about the WWDC you see where iOS is heading most sadly. Social clusterfuck.
No it didn’t. You can zoom the window but it’s a lo-tea bitmap UI. not retina.
Much of the interface is far from touch ready. Buy all the new stuff very much is. Do you not think the new features are headed in a very different direction? I think Logic 11 might be a break from the old and plugins like ultrabeat will be left behind.
Probably not. They might though. But these new UIs might be good in, say, Logic for iPad or even GB.
Probably. That’s what it looks like.
Not really. The Mac has one cursor. You. Can’t touch more than one UI element at the same time like you can in iOS. You can pinch to zoom and other gestures but you can only actually ‘touch’ one place on the UI at a time.
That’s what Apple have been saying for years. They will continue to say this up until the point they change the rules :-)
Not sure I get your point there.
The new UI elements and the new UI for Mac OS 11 don’t just look different. There are much bigger touch targets for the UI elements.
It might just be so that it’s better for catalyst. It’s a lot easier to make a Mac app from an iPad app if the Mac UI is nearly the same.
Up until yesterday I’d have said there was no way Macs would get touch screens.
Now I’m starting to think it’s a possibility. Anyway. I still think the switch to Arm will be exciting. Apple say that having their own silicon opens up many new options for product design.
I for one am looking forward to seeing what they come up with.
Yup. It will continue to be their official position. Until it isn’t. Apple have always been absolutist with their PR.
That’s the thing. I am not expecting it either. But for the first time I wouldn’t be surprised if they did.
Mac an iPad are definitely converging. How far Apple take that is pure speculation at this point
And I’m just speculating :-D
Several years ago I bought a cheap laptop which was touch screen. After opening the box and wiping the shop-bought operating system off, and putting Ubuntu on, I found it was fairly usable as a touch interface. Ubuntu didn’t respond very well to some things, such as scroll bars (this was about 2014, not sure if it’s better now, I no longer have that machine) or any form of dragging. What I did find completely natural though was reaching out to press a dialogue button, I’d do that instinctively and it worked well.
On another occasion I set up a Mac Mini with a very large touchscreen (not upright) basically to use with BlackMagic’s ATEM software, and again, no multitouch or anything like that (even though the monitors said it had on the box) but it was very useful to do cuts on the ME bus of the ATEM by directly touching the screen buttons.
If there is a touch screen Mac, I wouldn’t expect it to be ‘touch first’. It will still require keyboard and trackpad. But it might be cool to be able to scroll and manipulate things like the remix fx in logic with touch.
if you try the remix fx plugin in Logic, it’s rubbish to use compared to the same thing in GB on the iPad. You just need to be able to touch more than one thing at a time. Which isn’t possible with a trackpad as the Mac only has one cursor.
For instances like that, you want to be able to touch the screen.
The multi touch gestures on the trackpad aren’t the same thing at all. It would be too awkward and confusing to have multiple cursors— the major advantage of a touch screen interface is that you remove the indirect controls and just touch what you want to manipulate. That would not translate well to a trackpad. At all.
I‘m pretty sure I wouldn’t want to use the Mac with just a touchscreen. But it would be nice for the odd task. And if you can run any iPhone and iPad app on an arm Mac, many of those require multi touch. Which can only be successfully achieved with a touch screen.
I’d love a big iMac that you could grab the screen and pull it into an easel position for drawing on.
I'm convinced about merging somewhere in the future but I'm also convinced new hardware developers outside Apple will bring some interesting tools too.
What I'm not convinced is how much it will take from today to that day since for me these things were a must long ago and a meh now. xD
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The more I use Logic the more I’m convincing myself either one or both of the following options might just be coming:
The interface for Big Sur also looks very touch friendly. This might just be to make apps that are designed for iPad feel more at home on the Mac when ported via catalyst — or even run as iPad apps on the Mac.
Another thing is that Apple have stated that almost all apps for iPhone and iPad will run on the Mac without modification.
I have a lot of apps that won’t run properly if you only have 1 finger. Or only a mouse. Including most games I’ve ever downloaded.
The day before WWDC I’d have said there was no chance of the Mac ever getting a touch screen.
Every time I use the new logic update I’m more convinced a touch screen version is coming. Not totally convinced just yet, but more than yesterday ;-)