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Group The Loop - Clock sync to Hardware ?

bibenubibenu
in General App Discussion

Has anyone here had success syncing group the loop to external hardware ? Does it work well in practice ?

Looks to me from this video snapshot that the only sync option might be ableton link. Which I have reservations about, because while it IS possible to sync an external clock to ableton link via an app (MIDI link sync) that app is called 'experimental' by its author(s) and my experiments with another looper app (AudioKit L7) suggest that it's not going to work well with a sample-based app. (It seems to be continually micro-adjusting the tempo -> glitches in audio)

Any thoughts ? Experiences ?

Comments

  • wimwim
    edited July 2020

    Audiobus 3 is a very good midi clock to Link bridge. Not “experimental” at all. Link should work fine for GTL. Anyway, you're right, Link is the only sync option available in GTL.

  • steve99steve99

    I wouldn’t judge Link by its performance with L7, I’ve never come away from using it without being frustrated by its bugs. Group The Loop is a much more stable and reliable experience.

    Midi Link Sync has generally worked fine for me between apps at least, though those apps I used it for are now themselves link enabled anyway. Sorry, haven’t tried it with hardware so can’t comment there.

  • rs2000rs2000

    These tempo micro-adjustments are what makes an app slaving to LINK or MIDI clock somewhat tricky. The more stable your LINK or clock source is, the higher the chances that the receiving app won't have these audio glitches.
    But even with stable clock, there's a number of apps that just don't work well.

    Have you tried Loopy HD? In terms of following MIDI clock, it's always been rock solid here.

  • bibenubibenu
    edited July 2020

    @steve99 said:

    Midi Link Sync has generally worked fine for me between apps at least, though those apps I used it for are now themselves link enabled anyway. Sorry, haven’t tried it with hardware so can’t comment there.

    Yes it seems to be popular and well thought-of. And that convinces me that it probably works fine with apps that depend on sequencing events to a clock.

    But I've watched the tempo of 'MIDI link sync' fluttering up and down in response to the incoming signal, and that in combination with this comment from the developers ...

    We’ve combined this ability with some control theory so that MIDI Link Sync can massage the Link timeline into phase with the MIDI timeline. As a result, there are a few factors that can affect the overall accuracy:

    ... does not not fill me with confidence about purchasing a sample/audio based app like Group The Loop (I already have purchased ''MIDI link sync" ... a no-brainer at £1-00)

  • bibenubibenu
    edited July 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    Have you tried Loopy HD? In terms of following MIDI clock, it's always been rock solid here.

    Yes, I may go back and try that again. Thanks for the other comments ('somewhat tricky') ... glad to get confirmation.

  • steve99steve99

    I think I’m right in thinking that you can host GTL in Audiobus and then send midi clock out from there - that way you don’t need to use Link (or midi link sync) when connecting your hardware, Audiobus does the work for you.

  • bibenubibenu

    @steve99 said:
    I think I’m right in thinking that you can host GTL in Audiobus and then send midi clock out from there - that way you don’t need to use Link (or midi link sync) when connecting your hardware, Audiobus does the work for you.

    Thanks, yes, I will try and compare that setup compared to midi link sync, and see if I can see a difference.

  • wimwim
    edited July 2020

    Hosting GTL in AB3 works well. But it also works well standalone using AB3 just for the clock to Link bridge. You may be surprised at how stable both configurations can be. I definitely recommend AB3 for clock > Link bridging over MidiLinkSync. ymmv.

    I like hosting GTL in AB3. It makes it easy to route different things into GTL without bogging GTL down with hosting duties.

    Loopy generally wins out for me eventually, though I dabble in GTL often because really like the track naming, grouping, etc of GTL.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    You might also try asking your question on their forum. If you tag jack in your post he's sure to respond promptly. I've had lots of helpful advice there.

    forum.grouptheloop.com

  • bibenubibenu

    @SimonSomeone brilliant, thanks, I had no idea there was a dedicated forum

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