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Into The A.M. / Real Saxophone This Time
My long time friend and collaborator, Charley Krachy, supplied both a soprano and tenor track for me to cobble into a single performance.
This track may engender some discussion. Let me say that Charley is a master musician (he’s turning 80!) who has played the top venues in NYC with many great players.
Looking forward to your responses and the possible ensuing conversation.
Comments
woah real soft music for a change hehe (been mangling distorted drums for 9h ) , ace work @LinearLineman
80 years! My dear.
He was obviously lucky enough not to pick up the virus if he can still play the saxophone like this 😇
Some out-of-tune notes but hey, I wish more saxophone players would play such tasteful licks instead of repeating the same mechanical, awful noodles again and again.
Their is no such thing as out of tune in jazz. It precisely the note he was going for.
Beautiful song and top notch playing. Very enjoyable. 😎👍
Jazz is meant to be out of tune at times, full of mistakes happy accidents, improvs, and a general loose and free feeling, no matter if it's uptempo or, in this case, smooth and relaxing. This is a wonderful relaxing listen. Excellent work to both of you mate.
The saxophone is one of my favourite instruments. The track I recently released "More Than You Know" makes use of a sampled sax just as "San Juanito" did when I nailed a Kenny G style for 8 bars in the track. Of course, no sampled sax can compare to the real deal, but I don't have the money to afford lessons (let alone my own sax, lol).
Beautiful. Tell Chaz he is Ace!!!!
If Charley recorded these tracks without reference to the piano, then it’s the piano out of tune, not the sax.
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr, Charley played along with my original piano track. The “out of tune” notes were intentional and part of Charley’s improvisation.
People have different thresholds when listening to music in general. Lots of folks hated hearing the Jacques Loussier trio add bass and drums to Bach in the seventies. As Rumi said... there is a field beyond right and wrong. I will meet you there.
I respect his choices. Who wants to be tied to 12et just because there’s a pianist in the corner making a racket?
Well, what can I say, Charley didn't do it in his more popular songs.
But seriously, from his playing he sounds like a beautiful guy. I’d love to meet him and play with him.
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr, Here he is playing with the Kazzrie Jaxsen Quartet, and yes, he is a beautiful guy.
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57ec20ce579fb3f176f3a849/t/57ffec6729687f7dc1b8067d/1535410408207/1060.mp3/original/1060.mp3
And him and me from an album called SOUP...
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/57ec20ce579fb3f176f3a849/t/5804e57db8a79b9e80100180/1476715904777/1018.mp3/original/1018.mp3
The tuning here doesn't work for me either I have to say, and I love jazz! It just sounds out of tune in parts. If that's a creative decision, to me it is a flawed one. I also felt listening on headphones that the sax sounded too low in the mix, but it sounds better to me through phone speakers. I like the song a lot though, and the general tone. Beautiful piece.
Heh! App fiddlers with opinions. Ha!
Great track @LinearLineman and I hope I’m still playing my sax when I’m 80!
I really love this piece, Mike!
Others may quibble about being in or out of tune/key but that bothers not to me. There is a ton of passion and tension in this song, and I for one totally enjoyed it!
If I had anything at all negative to say about this piece, it's that it would have been truly spectacular if the recording of the sax parts had the same spectacular clarity as your piano playing did.
You have posted a tremendous about of music on the forum over the years. I feel this is one of your gems!
Congrats to you, and Mr. Krachy!
@SNystrom, Charley recorded this with a little handheld Tascam recorder. I added some reverb, a little EQing and a tiny delay. A better engineer would have made more out of it, I am certain.
I knew there would be disagreement on this one. There is no definitive opinion, I think. For me personally, I have stretched my ears to accommodate a wide spectrum of sounds. So it’s ok by me. Do I like beautiful sororities? Absolutely. Charley hits many of those moments. He’s too good not to any time he wishes. He tuned to a pitch app in fact. So the discord was... well, something else.
To be fair, this workflow of playing with a prerecorded improvisation did not work for him. In fact, I doubt we will do another. He recommended me to another sax player. Still, if he felt the music didn’t measure up he wouldn’t have sent it to me. To me it is worth thinking, feeling and talking about for a bit.
It is, Mike, definitely, an interesting discussion! And I think that even us app fiddlers are allowed opinions, right? @ajmiller 😂 If anyone makes constructive criticism, it doesn't need to mean they think they could do it better themselves.
And of course there is no question whether he can play in tune after listening to that Kazzrie Jaxsen Quartet piece, wonderful playing.
@Gavinski - of course you’re entitled to your opinion! Take no notice of me I’m on a social media downer as I’m fed up with so much negativity online and I, wrongly, read your ‘constructive criticism’ through those spectacles!
I feel you. Nice reply, have a wonderful day sir 😋, if only all online interactions had this level of civility.
Thanks for these examples that are played perfectly in tune!
What a difference.
Late comer as usual. Wow this has real soul.
Thank you for listening, @Toastedghost. Much appreciated!
My guess is that if our distinguished colleague removed the piano and replaced it with a drone or a fretless bass, no one would have any problem at all with the sax intonation.
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr indeed. But here it is with a piano!