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MIDI Guitar 2 and 12 strings?
I am thinking about a 12 string guitar for my collection, but I often use MG2 to run synths alongside amp modelers. What does MG2 do with 12 strings?
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What kind of latency do you have with midi guitar 2? What audio interface do you use? Thanks
I don't bother measuring latency as I think guitar playing is more about feel than numbers. MG2 feels like magic most of the time. Do I have to alter my playing style to get good results? Absolutely, and then some. Do I play with the noise gate in MG2 to find the right amount of sensitivity to avoid ghost notes? Yep, tweak a bunch and make it guitar specific. But, yeah, after doing that, it feels like magic.
I use a Zoom U24 and an iRig HD for interfaces, depending on what I'm doing (both work very well).
The reason I'm asking about 12 strings is that, in theory, it should work fine, but I think it'll add load to the polyphonic data (not sure it'll create any performance issues) and at the top end of the notes, I think MG2 will stop converting past the standard tuning range? On my baritone, MG2 just stops at Low E (or D if I go to Drop D tuning setting).
I don't own or use real 12-string guitars (only virtual) but I expect that the 12-string instrument's microtonal differences in tuning might confuse MG2...hard to say without testing it though.
I had some issues trying to get MG2 to work well with a mandolin, which also has doubled strings like a 12-string guitar (though no octaves, just unisons), so you might run into the same problems I was having with extra notes probably due to the microtonal differences as @Vaultnaemsae said... But to be fair I didn’t spend too much time trying to dial it in to get it right as I was just testing out the demo version, and also as it is a mandolin the sound is further from what MG2 was made for, so you might have better results with the 12-string with proper tweaking
Helpful! Thanks @Vaultnaemsae and @ManWhoWouldBeStrings !
I hope somebody tests this and reports back. For my needs I prefer using AUv3 FX to turn
my 6-strings into 12-string sounds. It saves me a lot of money since a decent 12-string is expensive and I'd want a lot of them and I wouldn't want to have to tune 12 strings. But
that octave doubling scheme does hide a multitude of detuned artifacts. A beginner can experience a lot of pleasure from their cheap out of tune guitar when it's processed by
a slow chorus to blur the harsh out of tune harmonics.
I suppose I could run a simulated 12-string audio stream into MIDI Guitar 2 and see how the resulting MIDI stream into a synth behaves.
That's an interesting idea, @McD but I wonder if you'll get the harmonics that fly off an octave string vs the "base" string?
MG2 has roundtrip latency of around 12ms at it's best on iOS. That sounds like a lot but it's not that bad.
@lukesleepwalker
MG2 does not play well with 12 string IME.
Just build one.
OK... Here's a recording on my Telecaster into Amplitube using it's 12-string simulator Effect playing a classic 12 string part. Then I add MIDI Guitar 2 and re-play the same input.
I think you could dial-in the right levels and it could be very effective driven by a 12-string.
Interesting. Thanks @McD !
From the beginning it sounded like you were going to break into some ELP there McD!
@McD I should never have sold my 12 string...
"In the Beginning" - Greg Lake (the singing bass player but playing 12-string on this unless it was a studio cat). Every time I saw him sing this on TV he was chewing gum. He was the voice of ELP. Keith Emerson was a keyboard playing hero. He ended up with serious carpal tunnel problems in the end.
My brother showed up with a brand new Martin 12-string at 18 without having a job.
He let me know without any hint of shame that he found $1,000 in our dead Grandmother's car trunk when he was gifted the junker. The car was worth about 1/3rd of
that. I think he sold it too and bought a better bicycle to get around.
Professor McD, you have a truly rich musical history.
Considering all of the incredible posts you have made over the years, I would expect nothing less! 🤗
Ouch. Seagull makes some good ones for $300-500.
I didn't provide solid timeline context. My brother turned 18 in 1968. He bought the top of the line Martin when they were the acoustic guitar to own. Guitars from that era are
collectables.