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  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    I am trying to gather followers on my facebook page, although I have to agree with the comments above that facebook is harmful in many ways, its also effective for marketing. That’s why I don’t always post here.

    Just for the record, I wasn’t trying to attack you, far from it. I also completely understand the marketing angle. It’s just that I give FB a very wide berth.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

  • NoiseHorseNoiseHorse

    @Blue_Mangoo this is a wonderful effect, much better than Stereo Lag(which I like). I wondered how it would sound with Cubasis because there’s a width control inside their new Master Strip, but it compliments it nicely. Used in moderation, this can create a nice texture and smoothness to a finished track. Thanks for the awesomeness.

  • Blue_MangooBlue_Mangoo

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    I am trying to gather followers on my facebook page, although I have to agree with the comments above that facebook is harmful in many ways, its also effective for marketing. That’s why I don’t always post here.

    Just for the record, I wasn’t trying to attack you, far from it. I also completely understand the marketing angle. It’s just that I give FB a very wide berth.

    Thats fair. I too was off facebook until I decided to use it for marketing. Sometimes I wonder how much of the negative political climate in the US and UK is indirectly caused by Facebook.

  • Blue_MangooBlue_Mangoo

    @NoiseHorse said:
    @Blue_Mangoo this is a wonderful effect, much better than Stereo Lag(which I like). I wondered how it would sound with Cubasis because there’s a width control inside their new Master Strip, but it compliments it nicely. Used in moderation, this can create a nice texture and smoothness to a finished track. Thanks for the awesomeness.

    I’m glad to hear you like it.

  • Philandering_BastardPhilandering_Bastard

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    I am trying to gather followers on my facebook page, although I have to agree with the comments above that facebook is harmful in many ways, its also effective for marketing. That’s why I don’t always post here.

    Just for the record, I wasn’t trying to attack you, far from it. I also completely understand the marketing angle. It’s just that I give FB a very wide berth.

    Thats fair. I too was off facebook until I decided to use it for marketing. Sometimes I wonder how much of the negative political climate in the US and UK is indirectly caused by Facebook.

    Pretty much my position. Not being able to interact with your interlocutor personally and face to face makes it just too easy to construct some caricature. Nothing good will come of it.

  • Blue_MangooBlue_Mangoo

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

    That makes sense.

    I am thinking about the other two things you suggested.

    The sensitivity issue is easy to fix. I will do that.

    The idea of running this as a send effect sounds useful but I can’t see how that would work from a technical standpoint. The basic Haas effect is to delay one channel and leave the other channel alone. If you run this as a send effect then you always have the dry signal there and you are just adding additional material mixed in with that. There is no way to delay a channel by send effect because to do what it does when operated as an insert effect you have to delay one channel without leaving any of the original audio on that channel. Am I understanding you correctly there?

  • Montreal_MusicMontreal_Music

    Can I test the app? I almost have everything from @Blue_Mangoo I don't have Facebook. The day facebook will give me 100,000$, I will create my account. But for now, I don't have an account. :)

  • Montreal_MusicMontreal_Music

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    I am trying to gather followers on my facebook page, although I have to agree with the comments above that facebook is harmful in many ways, its also effective for marketing. That’s why I don’t always post here.

    Just for the record, I wasn’t trying to attack you, far from it. I also completely understand the marketing angle. It’s just that I give FB a very wide berth.

    Thats fair. I too was off facebook until I decided to use it for marketing. Sometimes I wonder how much of the negative political climate in the US and UK is indirectly caused by Facebook.

    A lot I think. Good point.

  • Montreal_MusicMontreal_Music

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    I am trying to gather followers on my facebook page, although I have to agree with the comments above that facebook is harmful in many ways, its also effective for marketing. That’s why I don’t always post here.

    Just for the record, I wasn’t trying to attack you, far from it. I also completely understand the marketing angle. It’s just that I give FB a very wide berth.

    Thats fair. I too was off facebook until I decided to use it for marketing. Sometimes I wonder how much of the negative political climate in the US and UK is indirectly caused by Facebook.

    Pretty much my position. Not being able to interact with your interlocutor personally and face to face makes it just too easy to construct some caricature. Nothing good will come of it.

    I think like you.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

    That makes sense.

    I am thinking about the other two things you suggested.

    The sensitivity issue is easy to fix. I will do that.

    The idea of running this as a send effect sounds useful but I can’t see how that would work from a technical standpoint. The basic Haas effect is to delay one channel and leave the other channel alone. If you run this as a send effect then you always have the dry signal there and you are just adding additional material mixed in with that. There is no way to delay a channel by send effect because to do what it does when operated as an insert effect you have to delay one channel without leaving any of the original audio on that channel. Am I understanding you correctly there?

    Maybe my description was a bit irritating, the idea was to be able to mute the direct signal per band (when the band switch is off and solo enabled) to make it work as FX send.
    And yes, the original signal would still be there but the effect would likely still be usable in a different way (long delay times but lower effect depth) - maybe worth a try.

  • Blue_MangooBlue_Mangoo

    @Montreal_Music said:
    Can I test the app? I almost have everything from @Blue_Mangoo I don't have Facebook. The day facebook will give me 100,000$, I will create my account. But for now, I don't have an account. :)

    You don’t need an account. You can just click the link. Its a publicly visible post.

  • Blue_MangooBlue_Mangoo
    edited August 2020

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

    That makes sense.

    I am thinking about the other two things you suggested.

    The sensitivity issue is easy to fix. I will do that.

    The idea of running this as a send effect sounds useful but I can’t see how that would work from a technical standpoint. The basic Haas effect is to delay one channel and leave the other channel alone. If you run this as a send effect then you always have the dry signal there and you are just adding additional material mixed in with that. There is no way to delay a channel by send effect because to do what it does when operated as an insert effect you have to delay one channel without leaving any of the original audio on that channel. Am I understanding you correctly there?

    Maybe my description was a bit irritating, the idea was to be able to mute the direct signal per band (when the band switch is off and solo enabled) to make it work as FX send.
    And yes, the original signal would still be there but the effect would likely still be usable in a different way (long delay times but lower effect depth) - maybe worth a try.

    No worries. I didn’t take it as irritating.

    Yes, it’s doable. But as you acknowledged, it would be a different sound from
    What you get running it as an insert effect. For one thing, because the Haas effect only delays one of the channels, you would get double volume on the channel that’s not delayed, and less than that on the other channel. Although anything goes in sound design, I think that the dry bypass is more likely to be useful than the mute.

    The other issue I am thinking about is phase cancelling between the undelayed channel on the send and the original audio in the track. The Crossover filters we use to do frequency separation cause a phase shift that will cancel some frequencies out completely if you mix the separated, undelayed sound in parallel with the original. Unless we do the math and display the eq curve that results from that, it would be essentially an unpredictable surprise parametric EQ, from the viewpoint of the user.

    This gives me an idea for a horrible new app called “surprise EQ” that you put on a track and press the “surprise me” button and it randomly configures a parametric EQ without telling you what settings it is using. (That was a joke. We are not making such an app.)

  • jolicojolico

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

    That makes sense.

    I am thinking about the other two things you suggested.

    The sensitivity issue is easy to fix. I will do that.

    The idea of running this as a send effect sounds useful but I can’t see how that would work from a technical standpoint. The basic Haas effect is to delay one channel and leave the other channel alone. If you run this as a send effect then you always have the dry signal there and you are just adding additional material mixed in with that. There is no way to delay a channel by send effect because to do what it does when operated as an insert effect you have to delay one channel without leaving any of the original audio on that channel. Am I understanding you correctly there?

    Maybe my description was a bit irritating, the idea was to be able to mute the direct signal per band (when the band switch is off and solo enabled) to make it work as FX send.
    And yes, the original signal would still be there but the effect would likely still be usable in a different way (long delay times but lower effect depth) - maybe worth a try.

    No worries. I didn’t take it as irritating.

    Yes, it’s doable. But as you acknowledged, it would be a different sound from
    What you get running it as an insert effect. For one thing, because the Haas effect only delays one of the channels, you would get double volume on the channel that’s not delayed, and less than that on the other channel. Although anything goes in sound design, I think that the dry bypass is more likely to be useful than the mute.

    The other issue I am thinking about is phase cancelling between the undelayed channel on the send and the original audio in the track. The Crossover filters we use to do frequency separation cause a phase shift that will cancel some frequencies out completely if you mix the separated, undelayed sound in parallel with the original. Unless we do the math and display the eq curve that results from that, it would be essentially an unpredictable surprise parametric EQ, from the viewpoint of the user.

    This gives me an idea for a horrible new app called “surprise EQ” that you put on a track and press the “surprise me” button and it randomly configures a parametric EQ without telling you what settings it is using. (That was a joke. We are not making such an app.)

    Actually, I would love such an app. Even more if it would also automatically match the gain after randomizing :smiley:

    Also, something that randomizes every CC address of any FX/synths would be great for quickly generating interesting results.

  • gusgranitegusgranite

    @jolico said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

    That makes sense.

    I am thinking about the other two things you suggested.

    The sensitivity issue is easy to fix. I will do that.

    The idea of running this as a send effect sounds useful but I can’t see how that would work from a technical standpoint. The basic Haas effect is to delay one channel and leave the other channel alone. If you run this as a send effect then you always have the dry signal there and you are just adding additional material mixed in with that. There is no way to delay a channel by send effect because to do what it does when operated as an insert effect you have to delay one channel without leaving any of the original audio on that channel. Am I understanding you correctly there?

    Maybe my description was a bit irritating, the idea was to be able to mute the direct signal per band (when the band switch is off and solo enabled) to make it work as FX send.
    And yes, the original signal would still be there but the effect would likely still be usable in a different way (long delay times but lower effect depth) - maybe worth a try.

    No worries. I didn’t take it as irritating.

    Yes, it’s doable. But as you acknowledged, it would be a different sound from
    What you get running it as an insert effect. For one thing, because the Haas effect only delays one of the channels, you would get double volume on the channel that’s not delayed, and less than that on the other channel. Although anything goes in sound design, I think that the dry bypass is more likely to be useful than the mute.

    The other issue I am thinking about is phase cancelling between the undelayed channel on the send and the original audio in the track. The Crossover filters we use to do frequency separation cause a phase shift that will cancel some frequencies out completely if you mix the separated, undelayed sound in parallel with the original. Unless we do the math and display the eq curve that results from that, it would be essentially an unpredictable surprise parametric EQ, from the viewpoint of the user.

    This gives me an idea for a horrible new app called “surprise EQ” that you put on a track and press the “surprise me” button and it randomly configures a parametric EQ without telling you what settings it is using. (That was a joke. We are not making such an app.)

    Actually, I would love such an app. Even more if it would also automatically match the gain after randomizing :smiley:

    Also, something that randomizes every CC address of any FX/synths would be great for quickly generating interesting results.

    An AUv3 parameter randomizer is basically my dream app lol. Yonec’s Spawn for any plugin you want. Oh boy...

  • NoiseHorseNoiseHorse
    edited August 2020

    This gives me an idea for a horrible new app “surprise EQ” that you put on a track and press the “surprise me” button and it randomly configures a parametric EQ without telling you what settings it is using. (That was a joke. We are not making such an app.)

    Actually, I would love such an app. Even more if it would also automatically match the gain after randomizing :smiley:

    Also, something that randomizes every CC address of any FX/synths would be great for quickly generating interesting results.

    It’s not an app, but I have a color-blind wife that randomly dresses me every morning. I don’t recommend it for anybody.

  • rs2000rs2000

    @gusgranite said:

    @jolico said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

    That makes sense.

    I am thinking about the other two things you suggested.

    The sensitivity issue is easy to fix. I will do that.

    The idea of running this as a send effect sounds useful but I can’t see how that would work from a technical standpoint. The basic Haas effect is to delay one channel and leave the other channel alone. If you run this as a send effect then you always have the dry signal there and you are just adding additional material mixed in with that. There is no way to delay a channel by send effect because to do what it does when operated as an insert effect you have to delay one channel without leaving any of the original audio on that channel. Am I understanding you correctly there?

    Maybe my description was a bit irritating, the idea was to be able to mute the direct signal per band (when the band switch is off and solo enabled) to make it work as FX send.
    And yes, the original signal would still be there but the effect would likely still be usable in a different way (long delay times but lower effect depth) - maybe worth a try.

    No worries. I didn’t take it as irritating.

    Yes, it’s doable. But as you acknowledged, it would be a different sound from
    What you get running it as an insert effect. For one thing, because the Haas effect only delays one of the channels, you would get double volume on the channel that’s not delayed, and less than that on the other channel. Although anything goes in sound design, I think that the dry bypass is more likely to be useful than the mute.

    The other issue I am thinking about is phase cancelling between the undelayed channel on the send and the original audio in the track. The Crossover filters we use to do frequency separation cause a phase shift that will cancel some frequencies out completely if you mix the separated, undelayed sound in parallel with the original. Unless we do the math and display the eq curve that results from that, it would be essentially an unpredictable surprise parametric EQ, from the viewpoint of the user.

    This gives me an idea for a horrible new app called “surprise EQ” that you put on a track and press the “surprise me” button and it randomly configures a parametric EQ without telling you what settings it is using. (That was a joke. We are not making such an app.)

    Actually, I would love such an app. Even more if it would also automatically match the gain after randomizing :smiley:

    Also, something that randomizes every CC address of any FX/synths would be great for quickly generating interesting results.

    An AUv3 parameter randomizer is basically my dream app lol. Yonec’s Spawn for any plugin you want. Oh boy...

    This: https://liine.net/en/products/lemur/premium/squ4r-3/
    And the Lemur MIDI out routed into your AUv3 host.

  • Blue_MangooBlue_Mangoo
    edited August 2020

    @jolico said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Thanks @Blue_Mangoo, I like the design and the exposure of AUv3 parameters!

    I would suggest two three things:

    • Make the knobs react less sensitive to finger movements
    • Add a MONO switch
    • When a band is soloed but turned off, mute the direct signal for that band so it can be used in an FX send chain.

    Thank you. I will consider these.

    What is the mono switch for? To check for phase issues?

    Yes, this and to better judge the effect of different bands with different delays.
    With a delay time of up to 250ms per band, it's certainly useful to be able to hear bands with different delays combined to one channel, especially when listening on headphones where left and right channels are completely separated.

    That makes sense.

    I am thinking about the other two things you suggested.

    The sensitivity issue is easy to fix. I will do that.

    The idea of running this as a send effect sounds useful but I can’t see how that would work from a technical standpoint. The basic Haas effect is to delay one channel and leave the other channel alone. If you run this as a send effect then you always have the dry signal there and you are just adding additional material mixed in with that. There is no way to delay a channel by send effect because to do what it does when operated as an insert effect you have to delay one channel without leaving any of the original audio on that channel. Am I understanding you correctly there?

    Maybe my description was a bit irritating, the idea was to be able to mute the direct signal per band (when the band switch is off and solo enabled) to make it work as FX send.
    And yes, the original signal would still be there but the effect would likely still be usable in a different way (long delay times but lower effect depth) - maybe worth a try.

    No worries. I didn’t take it as irritating.

    Yes, it’s doable. But as you acknowledged, it would be a different sound from
    What you get running it as an insert effect. For one thing, because the Haas effect only delays one of the channels, you would get double volume on the channel that’s not delayed, and less than that on the other channel. Although anything goes in sound design, I think that the dry bypass is more likely to be useful than the mute.

    The other issue I am thinking about is phase cancelling between the undelayed channel on the send and the original audio in the track. The Crossover filters we use to do frequency separation cause a phase shift that will cancel some frequencies out completely if you mix the separated, undelayed sound in parallel with the original. Unless we do the math and display the eq curve that results from that, it would be essentially an unpredictable surprise parametric EQ, from the viewpoint of the user.

    This gives me an idea for a horrible new app called “surprise EQ” that you put on a track and press the “surprise me” button and it randomly configures a parametric EQ without telling you what settings it is using. (That was a joke. We are not making such an app.)

    Actually, I would love such an app. Even more if it would also automatically match the gain after randomizing :smiley:

    Also, something that randomizes every CC address of any FX/synths would be great for quickly generating interesting results.

    Point taken. Randomisation has its place in music. I just don’t think this app is the place for it. Especially because the eq that would result from that phase relationship is not actually random. It would do the same thing every time.

  • TimRussellTimRussell

    @Blue_Mangoo How does this app differ from your Stereo Width Control?
    I presume SWC does not apply micro-delays but uses some other clever method of positioning each band at a different width?

  • Blue_MangooBlue_Mangoo

    @TimRussell said:
    @Blue_Mangoo How does this app differ from your Stereo Width Control?
    I presume SWC does not apply micro-delays but uses some other clever method of positioning each band at a different width?

    Stereo width control converts to mid/side stereo and adjusts the volume of the side channel, then converts back to L,R stereo. Since the side channel contains no data for mono inputs, SWC does nothing to mono signals.

    Haas effect is specifically intended to add stereo width to mono signals and it is not often used on stereo signals.

    The intended application of stereo width control is for mastering, to mix the bass frequencies in the full mix or a submix bus back to mono or narrow the stereo field where it is loosing impact due to phase cancellation.

    The intended Application for Haas effect is to apply it to individual Instruments when you need stereo width but have only one channel of input.

  • TimRussellTimRussell

    @Blue_Mangoo said:

    @TimRussell said:
    @Blue_Mangoo How does this app differ from your Stereo Width Control?
    I presume SWC does not apply micro-delays but uses some other clever method of positioning each band at a different width?

    Stereo width control converts to mid/side stereo and adjusts the volume of the side channel, then converts back to L,R stereo. Since the side channel contains no data for mono inputs, SWC does nothing to mono signals.

    Haas effect is specifically intended to add stereo width to mono signals and it is not often used on stereo signals.

    The intended application of stereo width control is for mastering, to mix the bass frequencies in the full mix or a submix bus back to mono or narrow the stereo field where it is loosing impact due to phase cancellation.

    The intended Application for Haas effect is to apply it to individual Instruments when you need stereo width but have only one channel of input.

    Thanks, that explains it very clearly. Sounds like I could make good use of both!

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