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Mood Units Jam (plus: automating midi transpose in AUM)

In my video for Mood Units yesterday, I didn’t play several instances together, I thought I would remedy that in a quick vid here that also goes into a great midi trick for AUM that I got from @_ki earlier

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  • @Gavinski What a great tip! It’s getting to the point that we have a lot of incredible midi tools at our disposal. We just have to experiment and try different work flows to achieve what we’re after. Been doing this quite awhile on the desktop- good to see it happen on iOS.

  • _ki_ki
    edited August 2020

    Cool video 👍🏼, thanks for the mentioning. Its supposed to sound like the shorter ‘ki’ not ‘kai’

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    While you were shooting the video (man, you are fast - it would haven taken me days to produce such a video) ,i searched for a different way of automation:

    AUM also allows to specify AUv3 parameter changes as a specific note, where the notes velocity controls the parameters value as long as the note is active - which allows to use Atom (or any other sequencer with pattern editor, ie BeatHawk or LK’s matrix) as source for the transposition.

    I‘ve setup AUM to use C3 as parameter source, so i just needed to add 3 C3 notes with specific velocity in Atom.

    • From the first beat up to just before bar 7 with velocity 64 for the transpose of 0
    • From 1/32 before bar 7 to 1/32 before bar 9 with velocity about 70 for the transpose +1
    • From 1/32 before bar 9 to bar 9 with velocity 64 for the step down to transpose of 0

    Done that way, the tranposition change is sent 1/32 before bar to be independent of order of execution.

  • @_ki I was working on this idea earlier today, it was just the transposing that provided the extra something I felt it needed.

    I'll try out this new method you mentioned above soon, that looks interesting, thnx

  • @_ki And I thought you were just a Mozaic wizard here. Between this and the other StepBud tip, this is like getting a free midi masterclass!

  • He's my new midi guru for sure 😍

  • _ki_ki
    edited August 2020

    Grrrmph. The very first note of bar 0:0, right after hitting play is using a transpose of -24 as if the C3 isn‘t active at that mico second ... Order issues again

    But while the host is running, everything works fine, no glitches during my tests

    With CC automation the AUv3 parameter values at least stays the last set value and doesn‘t drop down to zero.

  • So are you thinking of doing some kind of moziac plugin to make this kind of thing easier?

  • I think i will continue working on my ‚Conductor‘ script that also does these kinds of CC automation.

    Using CCs seems to be the better way to go, one could set these to the start value even before the host is running (maybe at initialization and on host-stop), so that even when the first command arrives too late, the automation parameter already is at the correct value :) Later-on, the commands are send with a defined pre-roll time.

  • @_ki what was the other tip about stepbud that hypnopad mentioned BTW? And do you have any other creative ideas for using cc1 messages? I'd never thought of using something like that to control a slider or knob.

  • _ki_ki
    edited August 2020

    I used CC1 because that was already available for automation ins StepBud, any of the 120 CC ids is valid, but one needs to do some setup in StepBuds midi dialog adding the CC ids automation lane.

    And do you have any other creative ideas for using cc1 messages? I'd never thought of using something like that to control a slider or knob.

    Any AU parameter of any AU can be controlled that way. (I mean using CCs values or the note velocity input)
    So one can do automated filter sweeps at the right time in a pattern, change the FX mix of a synth plugins distortion module, do volume automation of AUMs faders, or AUMs send FX percentage to only add echoes at specific times in a pattern.

    There are so many things that can be automated - entering such automations would be a lot easier, if there were a plugin with CC recording and replay, maybe even curve editing.

    .

    @_ki what was the other tip about stepbud that hypnopad mentioned BTW?

    I suspect hypnopad meant the new variant using Atom vs the first one using StepBud‘s CC1 modulation lane.

    .

    One should also mention the other AUs capable of CC automation, here the two i just tested:

    StepPolyArp Unit is another ‚sequencer‘ with CC automation for several custom CC ids, but entering specific CC values is very fiddly. An SPA-U advantage would be that you can switch between different CC automations pattern (also via midi input into SPA-U)

    .

    Cycle AU also offers to add several CC automation lanes with own step length. In the screenshot i have setup 4 steped with half tempo (equals quarter notes) and 7 steps in 1/4 (eigths speed) - polyrythmic CCs :)
    I also deleted the default three automation lanes for pulse, pitch and length. By swiping them to the left.

  • edited August 2020

    cool tip, cumbersome to put it mildly, but doable

  • _ki said: I suspect hypnopad meant the new variant using Atom vs the first one using StepBud‘s CC1 modulation lane.

    Yep

  • @noob said:
    cool tip, cumbersome to put it mildly, but doable

    A bit cumbersome yes. You can set it up by the bar rather than quarter notes as I did here, but then there seemed to be a lag. But I could also have had a mix of note lengths here which would mean fewer steps and faster to set up. Stepbud is a bit fiddly for setting these note rates, it must be said...

  • @_ki said:
    I used CC1 because that was already available for automation ins StepBud, any of the 120 CC ids is valid, but one needs to do some setup in StepBuds midi dialog adding the CC ids automation lane.

    And do you have any other creative ideas for using cc1 messages? I'd never thought of using something like that to control a slider or knob.

    Any AU parameter of any AU can be controlled that way. (I mean using CCs values or the note velocity input)
    So one can do automated filter sweeps at the right time in a pattern, change the FX mix of a synth plugins distortion module, do volume automation of AUMs faders, or AUMs send FX percentage to only add echoes at specific times in a pattern.

    There are so many things that can be automated - entering such automations would be a lot easier, if there were a plugin with CC recording and replay, maybe even curve editing.

    .

    @_ki what was the other tip about stepbud that hypnopad mentioned BTW?

    I suspect hypnopad meant the new variant using Atom vs the first one using StepBud‘s CC1 modulation lane.

    .

    One should also mention the other AUs capable of CC automation, here the two i just tested:

    StepPolyArp Unit is another ‚sequencer‘ with CC automation for several custom CC ids, but entering specific CC values is very fiddly. An SPA-U advantage would be that you can switch between different CC automations pattern (also via midi input into SPA-U)

    .

    Cycle AU also offers to add several CC automation lanes with own step length. In the screenshot i have setup 4 steped with half tempo (equals quarter notes) and 7 steps in 1/4 (eigths speed) - polyrythmic CCs :)
    I also deleted the default three automation lanes for pulse, pitch and length. By swiping them to the left.

    Thnx!

  • Another nice wee vid there @Gavinski , between ‘units and ting there’s a common thread of simple musicality without excessive tweaking getting in the way. Interesting :smile:

  • Yes! There’s definitely a place for that @Krupa

  • @Gavinski said:
    Yes! There’s definitely a place for that @Krupa

    It’s definitely something I should be considering as I enter the third week of obsessively tweaking this mozaic script, need to play with those new nembrinis I think!

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