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Ableton style warping
Looking for an iOS app that allows warping like Ableton. I’ve read that Auria Pro and MT Studio do this, but they are way out of my price range at the moment. Was hoping there was a dedicated sampling/editor app that had this feature. I have BM3 and segments where you can time stretch a sample, but I’m looking to warp a single hit for example that needs a little more length to fit a pattern like ableton allows. I currently just add delay to fill the space to the next beat, but I’ve seen tutorials in Auria and Ableton where they’ve gone in and physically stretched the middle or end of a note to reach the next beat. Does such an app exist that is less expensive than those mentioned here?
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Easiest way would be to edit the sample in Ableton Live, freeze it and dump it over the iPad...
...or wait for Apple to drop Logic Pro X for iPad or something...
Auditor might get proper warping at some point...
...time will tell if/when that happens...
None that I know of.
It would be a nice challenge to build that inside Drambo, the tools are there.
Step 1 would be to slice the sample, step 2 would be to move the timing of a slice trigger and time stretching or time compress it.
@samu @rs2000 i no longer have ableton and I didn’t have time to learn it when I had it due to working full time+. I gave it to my nephew and I only know about the warping because my nephew became an avid user. After researching for hours, I did find a suggestion for BM3 from @winconway where he suggests to isolate the slice, hit edit with live stretch selected and then play with duration until it fits (drawback is you can’t stretch it a bunch, but I only need to fill an 1/8 note most times). Not as precise as Elastique warping, but it seems like it would fit the bill. Not near my iPad to test it.
You could get a free copy of Live Lite, and learn to warp there. If you find an ios app that warps, you’d have to learn that anyway. Ableton warping, like most other Ableton features, is really easy to use.
I just discovered Auditor has this in its slice mode. I haven’t played around with it much, but it appears to work very well.
Thanks @wim
@wim I bought auditor to accomplish the warping mentioned in this thread and that you referenced above, but I read the manual I don’t see a warping feature. Do you know what commands I would use to accomplish this?
OK, you busted me. I just posted that to sucker more people into buying the app.
Just kidding ...
Go to tools / slicing then tap Manual Mode. Now tap Warp. You’ll be able to drag slice markers around and the slices will warp to fit.
AUM will do it. Load an audio file player; sync the file. Set AUM’s tempo to warp the clip to where you want it and then re-record the loop.
@wim well you got me! You must have MK Ultra’d me into buying the other 30 apps I’ve bought after auditor too, at least that is what I’m going to tell my wife.
@Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr thanks but I’m not the quickest with learning new software and I’ve already invested the time and money into Auditor so I was hoping it could accomplish it and @wim just confirmed it. Once I get comfortable with Auditor I’ll def loom into learning AUM and C2 since I got both on sale after Wim Manchurian Candidated me
Thank you both, and thank the universe for this community.
Are you sure it’s possible to stretched sample using AUM? For me if I change the tempo the pitch of sample is change.
Is there one great Auditor tutorial anyone can recommend?
I'd like to know the trick too!
From what I know, AUm can neither to Ableton-style warping nor time stretching or pitch shifting at all. The only thing it does here is a hard audio re-pitch to fit the project bpm.
@ExAsperis99 the audiodabbler has a couple, but not super in depth. I watched both and read the manual and I’m struggling. I’m relatively new to iOS production but I have a pretty good handle on BM3 sampler and Auditor is kicking my a$$. @wim any chance of getting a video of the warp function? I set my markers, selected the region, tools, slicing (with existing markers and ignoring existing markers) hit warp and when I went to stretch the portion of the sample I wanted to elongate, I got an error message. I also tried with and without “make unique” because all of the other samples in the whole are long enough for my needs and I didn’t want to move any of the adjacent samples. Maybe because it’s new to me, but on first run the UI and workflow is pretty confusing. See pic above.
Looks like a new bug report is due 😉
It does! But it's working fine in all my tests so far, could you write to me and possibly include the offending audio file and also let me know if happens all the time or if it's only with certain files. Please write to me via support link on our web site that way I can get back to you if needed 😀😷
I think what I'd do is find a workaround solution. There are plenty of tools on iOS to timestrectch a loop and a fair few that will slice a loop but nothing quite like warping in Ableton (or Logic, or almost any other desktop DAW) where you can just drag bits of audio about on a timeline accurately and easily.
One potential solution would be to timestrectch the entire loop first, then slice it afterwards. If you're playing slices to make a new loop, speed the main tempo up enough so that the hits are long enough, then flatten your loop and timestretch it. I often use BlocsWave to timestrectch (or pitch shift) multiple loops at once.
If they're single drum hits maybe just put them all in a sampler such as Slate in NS2 or BM3 pads and edit the hits to fade out the hits so they're not abrupt and sound good as single hits (with the envelopes for example). Drum patterns don't need noise between each and every hit. You can always use reverb, delay etc. to fill the space up if you want later. Also keeping a dry loop keeps options open.
If a slice contain multiple hits that need to stay in time (Say a couple of hi-hat 16th notes) just slice the loop so that each discernible hit is a slice and re-sequence.
Or just play some additional percussion/drums over the top to make it sound good.
If none of these examples fit what you're trying to do, a combination of slicing and timestrectching should be able to do what you want, just not necessarily how you wanted to do it.
TLDR: I’m dumping the sample and will try to recreate it.
@klownshed, thank you for the detailed solutions. I think you are right in that I need to accept the limitation in this regard. @wim is quite the wiz at this whole thing in general and especially in comparison to me. He has advised me brilliantly on a couple of things and although he was clearly programming me to buy apps (I kid!) I trust that what he is saying is possible, but I just don’t have a strong enough grip on auditor yet and maybe there is a bug? I’m dumping the sample for now and will do my best to replicate it (piano, some humming, bass on an old vinyl record that I am chopping for personal, non commercial use).
I tried many if not all your suggestions, but I can‘y timestretch due to the melodic “hits”, if I stretch it long enough to fit my needs it sounds off beat in a bad way, not a jazzy kind of way. Another option I tried was cutting bpm to half which made the sample well long enough and kept it on beat, but it sounds crazy muddy. Tried fading but doesn’t sound natural. Added reverb alone then with delay and sounds too busy, messy. I do boombap style chopping and looping (hip hop Gods cover your ears) and some samples sound great only slightly effected with not much more than LP, HP couple of notches to take out mud and hints of reverb because of the fullness of the vinyl source material. I suppose I could re-chop the loop and find a different, longer sample to put on the 1 but that defeats my “an old head could dream” silly idea of stretching out a portion of the sample to fit like a puzzle piece. Oh well, I’ll deal with the limitation If in fact auditor (or iOS as a whole) can’t do the warping I was hoping for, or I’ll learn to live with my own limitations until I better learn the software.
Thanks all for the look.
@LivingMemorySoftware i’ll hit you on the link.
Sorry @king_picadillo - I can't help. Warping works for me and doesn't crash. Definitely a bug though, so hopefully @LivingMemorySoftware can sort it out for you.
As for how well it will work for your purposes ... I dunno. Slicing and warping to me works better for small corrections to fix up a hit here and there. I've never tried to use it for more extensive mangling. I shy away from time stretch for all but small adjustments because I hate what it does to the sound.
@wim, word i feel that. Thanks
If you’re making boom bap, why not pitch the samples to make the loop the right length? I love the gritty lo-fi style of old boom bap with loops pitched down. But I’m definitely not a boom bap afficionado!
Check out daydream sound on YouTube for some cool sample tricks generally using 25 year old hardware samplers. A lot of what can be done on an ensoniq can be replicated to some extent on iOS (bar the exact sound, but you can get the gist).
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheDaydreamSound
@klownshed i’ll try that and see. This particular sample is a bit low in register (lot of deep humming) but anyway it’s the one thing I didn’t try. I’m a master of missing the obvious. Thanks for the channel tip, I’ve watched a lot of classic boombap tutorials but somehow never came across this channel.
Ableton Style warping you say? Well a few app offer this with Auria Pro having warp markers with Elastic Audio and anchor points at markers right in the tracks, Living Memory Auditor as well but not in the tracks/lane view, Cubasis 3 has audio warping/time stretching in the tracks but no anchor points (Workaround: you'd have to slice the audio where u want an anchor point then stretch the separate clips) FL Studio Mobile is the same in this regard, Audio Evo Mobile as well. Beatmaker 3 falls in along with those that you cant actualy grab in realtime and warp but can warp by spliting and timestretching each piece like using warp markers. iMPC2 has audio tracks that also warp/time stretch by slicing and dragging each clip to its desired length. Auria Pro is the best of these as it has ProTools Elastic Audio engine and warps using markers set at transients.
@BandzTFM Thanks for the thorough suggestion. I ended up with Auditor and that will work for my needs. Auria was the best fit but I didn’t want to drop $50 for this one function (I use BM3 as my DAW). Auditor was a good compromise for $40 less.
Good ideas @BandzTFM!
Seriously. Like a one paragraph master class on the subject.
But, really, everyone involved with this thread gets Internet points for solid ideas, suggestions and workarounds as far as I'm concerned. Well, everyone other than me and this generally useless post.
Zenbeats has good time stretching too, it’s sort of “automatic” so it detects tempo of imported file and intelligently stretches it to current tempo. I don’t what algorithm they use but to me it sounds really good.
No problem, i own them all so i am helping anyone with questions about them since devs and customer service seem to be slowing around these days
I forgot about ole Zenny Ro! I threw Zenbeats in my SYNTH folder and forgot about it as a DAW! Dragging it out now...I main Auditor,BM3, and Auria Pro (AUM, GB, Cubasis 3, and iMPC2 are my quick scratch pads)
FL Studio is almost there, but no warp markers, loop record or comping, or Auv3 support and i have lots of those
and NanoStudio 2 would be perfect but it has NO audio tracks, so no timestretch, warp markers, loop rec, comping, no midi or Link control (Transport) so i just call it NANO2 because no audio tracks barely makes it a studio with all those workarounds just to do normal stuff
Zenny Ro was missing something for me which is why i put it in the synth folder...hmmm I think it was because it couldnt be controlled with my midi cotroller like AUM, BM3, and AP can, imma add it back to my schetch pad folder, thanks for reminding me
I think they use Zynaptic algorithm