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7 beats 3/4 measure
Trying different things. Stepping out of the 4/4 usual is much easier with the safety of the grid!
I just LOVE doing these jams!
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Almost forgot the obligatory app rundown!
Drambo, of course, on drums, SM One, Factory (which I’ve been getting into lately), AudioKit’s Sub 808, and a handful of Atom instances.
In other words, all the usual suspects. Except for Factory! Which is new to me. I just bought the full version and have been fairly impressed so far.
Really like the sounds on this one. Nicely done. Love odd time signatures especially when they’re done as smoothly as done here.
Very nicely done ... haunting middle eastern quality to that flute. .. the waft of best blonde hash on the Moroccan night ... splendid times. Thanks muchly.
Cool tune. Nice sounds. Interesting melodies. Dug it.
love it man
Sounds really great, I’ve been getting bored with 4/4 and this is some great inspiration
14/8, if anyone’s wondering...
Really nice. Impressed.
I really like this, I like different time sigs and great choice of sounds. Maybe think about a modulation into a related key part way through? But that’s just my take.
Thank you! I really appreciate you giving a listen and providing the feedback.
Thanks for taking it for a spin guys!
@Soundscaper There was certainly something in the air!
Thanks for putting it on the map (somewhere between the Middle East and Africa
) Isn't it funny how a few sounds can pinpoint a geographical location? I did one a couple weeks ago to which I referred to as “Jazz inspired”, and to me, sounded like it came from London... a rainy night in London to be specific.
This is really good! I imagine the opening scene to a M. Knight Shyamalan film.
Your handling of the odd 7/4 time is done very well. I can still tap my feet to it without a glitch.
Thanks! It’s funny how the brain is wired to the 4/4 measure isn’t it?
Thank you for listening, and for doing the math lol!
Thank you! I’ll have to look up the film(s) you mentioned.
Thanks!
I have a few more ideas that might make it into another version. I have a few of these AUM jams that I keep saying I’d like to add guitar parts, so maybe...
@Intrepolicious ace, top
we love triplets
This was really awesome.
Really nice track. It's fun to get into the pattern and hit that short 2 note pattern at the end evertime. I get 3-3-3-3-2 for 14 as 14/8 as @TheOriginalPaulB advised. What's tricky is that the accents in the 3 bars are on ONE-and-two-AND-three-and which could make some see that as 2 beats of triplets but that would make notation the bar of 2 tricky maintaining steady flow with triplets. You want to write it as accented 8ths for 3 beats: ONE-and-two-AND-three-and and then the bar of 2 is One-and-Two-and.
I'm thinking about how I'd place a back beat in this context. I'd probably put backs beats on bars 2 and 4 and use a bass drum on bars 1, 3 and the bar of 2. But grace note it up like crazy. I'd probably use a fill on most bars of 2.
Coordinating with a bass player to make the repeated pattern sync would be key for a band. Then the soloist could just loose themselves in their melodies and know how to sync
back up if the lost their bearings.
There are precious few tunes that made it to popular fame that are based on odd meters since it tends to confuse dancers but the Mahavishnu Orchestra and prog rock bands could really turn your head around with odd meters.
Excellent and good, in your face, production. You might be interested in Lumbeat Mideast Drummer. Lots of odd signatures.
Thank you guys
Technically there are no triplets in this, only triples.
The main riff is based on triples of 16th notes (3+3+3+3+3+3+3+3+2+2), but the echo is emphasising the duples (2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2), one per eighth note, which is further reinforced by the two eighth notes at the end of the riff. This cross rhythm gives us a repeating 3/8 against 6/16 feel, which is very flamenco/middle eastern. This is the pulse that gives us the 14/8 time sig. On top of this comes a languid half speed drum part that divides the 14/8 into 4+4+4+2 eighth notes, which is yet another cross rhythm with the 3/8 vs 6/16, the whole lot only aligning for the 2 eighth notes at the end of each phrase.
Very nicely done.
For more cross rhythm nuttiness, check out ‘Just The Same’ by Gentle Giant.
Wow. An in depth rhythmic analysis AND a Gentle Giant reference.👍🏻👍🏻
Your detailed analysis tells me you really listened, and I thank you for that. These modern tools we have in our hands allow much easier exploration into these odd meters, and the ability to compose on the grid is the safety net. You never have to worry about missing the beat or the AND, just have to pick which beats and which ANDs to accentuate.
Its amazing to be able to take any number of beats and just start dividing.. and multiplying with tools like Drambo and Atom. Way back in my younger years playing in bands, (I’m 50 and have played guitar for 35) this kind of thing would taken forever to write/compose and practice with other people. Today, as a “one man band” composing all parts and having control over everything, being able to dictate each instrument and it's respective timing, one can produce very interesting results very quickly.
What I think would be interesting, is an odd meter collaboration. It would take a predefined time signature that any participants could agree on.
Thanks again for your thoughtful insight!
Thank you!
Wow, that does looks amazing, however, I bought “iBassist” by the same developer and never use it. Not sure what it is about the app, just that I can’t wrap my head around it. I’ll revisit this dev’s apps and force myself though their learning curve eventually. I do keep hearing good things about them.
I keep telling myself “ok, no more apps” for a while, but it’s so easy to pick these up for less than 20 clams a pop.
I wasn’t going to say anything about the “triplets”, but you’re right. Honestly, you guys have given a lot more thought into the technical breakdown than I ever did composing it. The “walk-down” riff actually started as a standard 4/4 riff but then I chopped of the last beat of the 2nd bar, effectively leaving 7 beats (or 1.75 bars), then doubled that for other things to jive. Again, the safety of the grid allows for some chips to fall where they may.
I’ll tell you guys, ever since Drambo came out, between that and piano roll apps like Atom, I’ve learned more bout musical meters, measures, and time signatures than I ever did in all of my years of playing. The input you guys provide only strengthens that knowledge, and inspires me to keep creating!
Thank you so much!
Oh, I've heard this a couple of times but I forgot to comment. Really nice and thank you for the "odd" rhythm. I can't give such a detailed analysis as @McD and @TheOriginalPaulB - only the well known WTF, that was cool!!
Thanks again.
Thank YOU!