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is Haas Fx boring? | Haas vs Haaze 2 AUv3 | haQ attaQ
Now, the Haas Effect does not seem to be very popular in comparison to stuff like Reverbs, delays, Chorus, Flanger plugins etc. Is the Haas effect simply boring or uninteresting? Um kinda, but then again, it does not have to be boring. So lets have some fun with it!
PS. Don’t tell anyone but this episode features some very special guests ...
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IMHO the Haas effect is not popular because it has some serious issues. Yes it can sound nice in stereo, but mono compatibility is extremely problematic. Due to the delays inserted in one of the channels, a downmix frequently has comb-filter problems (sounds like coming out of a 'tube'), timbre changes, phase cancellation and what not.
If you use this effect, at least make sure you very closely monitor mono playback (and yes, in 2020 mono playback is a thing with tablets, phones etc having a single speaker, or having two speakers but playing the music while holding the device upright, and let us not forget bluetooth speakers with two transducers very close together interacting like it is close to mono).
Just my 2 cents; I'd prefer to avoid the Haas effect all together.
Do people really use their device built-in speakers for listening to audio/music? Mine sound terrrrrrible I would never even consider it an option. There is an audio jack for a reason (or dongle in some cases)
It's not a problem for me; no one listens to my stuff anyway.
@sippy_cup they most certainly do. And many people only hear the tune and the words and are oblivious to the fine performance and skilfully crafted mix you’ve spent hours on (and probably many dollars after you’ve bought several pairs of speakers and headphones).
I live with some of those people.
Ugh...tis life.
I used to like using the Haas/Stereoizer effects, but these days, I use a reverb for widening a mono sound source. Algoverb in NS2 is pretty good for this sort of thing. I set it to small room, Reverb Size to 0%, Widen to 200%, adjust the low pass and hi pass filters and dampening and wet signal level to taste. Sometimes I toggle the predelay as well depending on the source sound.
(That's not to say Haas/Stereoizer effects don't have their place in my toolbox when it comes to experimental music however, but for the main genres I produce (EDM, Trance, Pop, etc), I stick with a super short reverb to widen things.)
Smart speakers are currently a multi billion dollar market. Companies like Amazon, Google sell them like hot buns. Given the spacing between the drivers (a few cm at best), they are effectively mono speakers. You can expect Haas-effect comb filter problems on such devices as well. And yes millions of people use them to listen to music.
I was taught to mix in mono a lot- making EQ decisions that way and it’s super helpful if you haven’t done it. After I get my panning roughly set I spend a lot of time mixing through a single Auratone obvs in mono as well my main monitors in mono. After I get it sounding balanced and switch to stereo it can be a really nice moment.
This video from Kush is 👍
As for Haas effect I would suggest to try using it for ear candy sounds etc that aren’t a super main element that you wouldn’t want to lose or change the tone too much when hearing on mono devices. I don’t really use it much either as mentioned above.
Nightclubs only have a mono feed so I make do with that 🤗
That's a myth about clubs. Used to be true in the past, but definitely not always the case now. I remember reading an article on this topic recently but can't remember where 😛 @robosardine
I'm talking about the speakers in the iphone and ipad.
Ah yes very good point! Forgot to mention that here are millions of iPhones and iPads out there with a single (mono) speaker. Only recent, high-end models have stereo playback. And yes many clubs these days still have mono feeds into their amps.
If your music would ever make it onto the radio: FM radio automatically switches to mono if the signal SNR is too low (as it transmits the side signal in an adjacent band). So people in cars etc will occasionally listen to mono as well.
Whether we like it or not; mono playback is a very common and important use case that is here to stay for quite a while....