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Magic death eye stereo VS Cubasis master strip - finishing plugins
I have a feeling that this is like comparing a pretty nice Toyota to a Corvette, but can anyone who owns both tell me how the magic death eye stereo compressor sounds compared to the new Cubasis master strip?
If it’s relevant, I’m making pseudo dance music that I want to be LOUD the same way edm is often mastered but also to have a very open sound that preserves detailed textural qualities- the goal is a loud but open and expansive sound
I feel like what I am about to say in the context of this forum is tantamount to admitting that during his life I was good pals with Jeffrey Epstein, but I have used Landr in the past and like the way this treats my mixes, I was impressed with the Cubasis master strip’s ability to get in a similar ballpark without having to use an external service, I am wondering if I could do even better with magic death eye and if it would be a worthwhile investment for the type of music I am making.
Also, is the cpu usage as crazy as people say? I am running Cubasis 3 on an XS max
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This is a wild guess based upon the one piece of music you posted for comment.
You're approach to music is so dense with harmonics I doubt the "value add" of the Magic Death Eye would contribute. It adds extra harmonics that make mid-tones sound "warm".
It's great on music with an open harmonic character and adds extra harmonic complexity in
a very musical way by using overtone enhancement.
So, I think you'd not hear big differences in tone and would benefit more from a less expensive but highly transparent compressor to do automatic gain adjustments and not
one that's known as a "colorizing saturator".
If I heard more of your music I might see projects that would benefit from the MDE Compressors. If you do get one make it the stereo version with extra EQ controls.
For the music I make it improves everything I do but I struggle to make sounds that are
copies of musicians sitting in a recording studio playing into expensive mic's in a reverberant room. Sometimes I just mash synths together and take a walk on the wild side to essay a little rage but rarely. For the rage experiments I'd just forget to add the MDE.
I’m now using the Cubasis Mastering Strip for everything now. It gives me a thicker sound but plenty of nice highs at the same time. Puts a little more meat on the plate.
(Hope I didn’t confuse you with all my highly technical terminology!) 😀
Magic Death Eye is meant as a compressor rather than a brickwall limiter. The mix you are wanting to achieve is not going to be achieved simply by simply throwing a limiter or compressor on the master bus. It is going to require treating the individual elements. A multiband compressor might be in the picture , too.
Getting things “loud” without being muddy will take experience and practice...and study. There is a reason that most music is not mixed and mastered by the artists creating it. And when artists actually do the mixing, those artists have spent years refining their skills as engineers.
@annahahn the cubase fx are fine for your crowded stuff, like the one you first posted here... DDMF are for subtle mastering needs... sprinkles... save your coins
They are two different tools. Cubasis master suite is a multiband compressor, stereo imager, and harmonic exciter. Its more comparable to Woott, or Barkfilter, than it is Magic Death Eye.
I make pop, dark techno, ambient, wonky left field bass, and i LOVE MDE on all of them. I dont pump it too hard, but it just adds a nice glue when compressing the master at 2-4db. I dont have Cubasis, but watched some videos on the suite, and it seems to do a great job as well. Since you have it, i would try the suite, and if it suits ur needs, roll with it, if you need something else, try MDE!
Can someone give a short statement about the magic death eye compressor in the context of intentional boring music like drone music, synth or guitar and ambient stuff. Is this stuffed with harmonics too?!?
MDE Stereo...It glues stuff . its the cream of the crop. its that good. on everything. it will saturate.every time. but you will like it. i promise.
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Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately my Mac is 11 years old and I am iOS only in regard of music making/producing
Need to hear some YouTube then. I was not really sure if it is suitable for ambient and droney needs
Oh, didn’t realize there are actually two compressors DDMF and a stereo one.
its one of those plugins that needs to be heard im afraid... imtook the plunge and bought it ..wallet cried. but im smiling..
edit let me try record some drones A/B MDE.. brb
Ok, quick ON/OFF @david_2017
Oh my goodness! Thanks for creating this. Oh boy this sounds incredible 😳
Definitely MDE is really nice, though I only noticed that after I got it. When I watched the popular video on YouTube (some French guy raving about how amazing the first one, not the stereo one, was) I could hear practically zero difference when he added it and took it off, 😂.
I get the popular theme about MDES being subtle but to those who have it (I don’t yet) I’m assuming its subtle specialness is markedly unique from (say) Toneboosters apps in combo or any other combined apps?
ie: just how unique is MDES’ mojo?
Brass tacks - it's like comparing a grape to an orange. Cubasis Master Strip is an effect with a multiband compressor, a multiband stereo imager, and a maximiser. MagicDeathEyeStereo is a compressor that also has a simplistic built-in EQ. I've used Master Strip in the past, but it didn't gel with my workflow. That's just me though as Master Strip is a ripper effect. Maybe someday Master Strip and I will click. Who knows?
I do use MDES on every master however as my first plugin. I adjust until the gain reduction is down to between -2dB and -3dB and, for EDM, usually use release setting 5 (it's a unique release curve) and a fast attack. I also set the low cut filter in MDES to 20Hz to free up headroom. It gives the sound a bit of character and is the dog's nuts for gluing shit together.
For multiband compression, I try to gainstage the output from MDES so that the signal is peaking to about -15dB. Then I feed that into the BarkFilter Tripleband preset. If the mix is already well balanced and well mixed, this will enhance the sound tenfold.
Finally, I feed this into either Pro-L2 or into Tonebooster's Barricade. Now, since you're using an iPhone Max, definitely get Barricade for your limiter as it's universal and has a cheaper price than Pro-L2 (although a cheaper price does not a cheaper plugin make since Barricade sounds 99% the same as Pro-L2).
If I do need an EQ to balance the mix to another mix (say, I'm mastering an album), I usually stick that before MDES. But usually I just make tracks as stand-alone projects rather than as part of an album and so I just usually use MDES' low cut to shave off the inaudible low end that tends to eat up headroom.
Interesting question! - I do not have it either (yet).
However, based on what
we could start with Saturn 2 from FabFilter, which is the saturation app, and couple that with a compressor. I used Pro-C2 here, merely to keep it in the family. Something like this:
If you have the FF apps (and for added fun the Blue Mangoo oscilloscope), you can find the AUM session for this here.
It will be interesting to hear from other folks whether this can make it into the ballpark. It is just a first cut inspired by the transformation in @noob's example.
Great work @Tim6502
And I’m especially interested in your question here:
So although I like the CB3 Masterstrip, I feel like I get a better overall finished sound by using Toneboosters Eq, Enhancer, and Barricade.
Thank you so so much for this tip!! wonderful advice, I already own all of these and tossing them on the masterbus and setting to some of the loudness/ AI (EQ) presets and tweaking slightly gets me realllllyy nice results- clean and loud thank you!!