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Help for routing Lumbeat's drums in Cubasis 3 please!
Hello,
I'm having problems trying to route Lumbeat's drums in Cubasis 3.
I can record them as an audio track when Audio Input is set as an IAA , but I can't manage to record them as a midi track. "Send midi notes" and Midi out to Cubasis" are setted up in Lumbeats app.
What am I missing?
Is there someone that could tell me how to route your Lumbeat's drums for midi tracks recording please?
( I have several of them and try them all so it s note a one drum issue).
Comments
That s the steps I followed
In Lumbeat drum
Desactivate Ableton link
In Midi Panel:
. Send notes
. Midi out Cubasis 3
. Midi clock in Cubasis 3
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In Cubasis
(Send "Midi clock" selected in Set Up / midi )
No instruments selected *( since Lumbeat's drum don't appear as IAA instruments in Cubasis).
Midi track --> midi input--> Lumbeat drum --> channel 10 ( the channel suggested by Lumbeat midi panel) ---> doesn't record anything
Midi track --> midi input--> all midi ports --> all channels (or only channel 10) --> record midi notes but with no sound *
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I tried all midi connections possible in Cubasis and had no result in recording a midi track ( that actually emit sound).
What am I doing wrong? Any idea?
I have read that other members use other drum kits to plug in to Lumbeat edited midi tracks. Maybe some members will give some suggestions. My own experience is that Lumbeat will not play its own midi generated tracks. That is similarly frustrating with Korg Module, another IAA. Is it an IAA thing?
Doug at The Sound Test Room had a iBassist/drum video that I found quite helpful:
However, I still have issues at times getting iBassist and the other LumBeats apps to reliably talk to each other in AUM.
It's frustrating because when it works, it's really amazing!
Yes GUI for lumbeat apps is tricky.
Also if you can comprise with Some nuances , funk drummer For example has MIDI EXPORT which you can open directly in Cubasis
Hi Hisdudeness,
I coulldn't find the midi export you mentioned in Funk Drummer. It has the same midi panel than the others Lumbeat's app I own. Couldn t have it record and play back its own midi in Cubasis neither.
Thanks a lot everybody for your help, advices and shared experiences.
I also came to the conclusion after a lot of frustrated experiments with all kind of midi piplines that none of Lumbeat's drums that I have ( 7 of them) can play back the midi notes that they generated. It s quite a paradox considering that these midi notes can actually being played by Digistix, Axon , Fractal Bits or any kind of midi instruments AUV3 or IAA except the Lumbeat's one. So, yes, we can still record them in audio but these amazing drums deserve to be editable and polishable as a normal midi instrument inside a DAW. Especially considering the price they cost.
These apps all sound amazing, but there is a lack of documentation. Is there a manual for reggae drummer? In general, what is the best way to learn to use these? Because every time I try to find instructions, they seem either non-existent or not detailed enough.
Thanks Hisdudeness for the screenshot,
I just tried that. Exporting midi multitrack or full mix gave me the same result which is another midi track that can not be played back by the Lumbeat drum itself but needs another midi instrument to be played. I don't understand really. I think all of this is because LB drums don't show up as midi IAA instrument in Cubasis. Don' t know why.
@moher is this any help or what you are looking for? I’ve never attempted to post a solution to a problem before and these are the first screenshots I’ve tried to upload so I hope this works.
I just tapped on multiple midi in/out settings in soft drummer so I don’t know if they’re all necessarily correct but I was able to record the midi out into Cubasis 2 using virtual midi. Once the midi was recorded in I switched soft drummer to ‘sound module’ and set my midi out to virtual midi. It seems to work. If this isn’t clear then I will add more info if it helps?
(The photos have uploaded in the wrong order. Go from bottom pic to top pic and then middle pic, soz...)
Thanks a lot Rud for your screenshot explanations. It looks preety much like a full tutorial! I'll try it when I ll be back home.
So you are saying that you ve been able to play back your Soft Drummer midi track with the original sounds of Soft Drummer? Is that right? That would be amazing!
@moher yup, i can get the recorded midi to trigger soft drummer although I need to delve in a little further to see how well it works. I’m not sure about the different velocities for different hits/sounds. Just turn your midi channel down or set it to ‘no instrument’ as otherwise it’s plays some strange stuff... let me know how you get on...
Ibassist has good midi export
A while back I managed to record the midi from the amazing reggae drummer in to.... Can't remember the name.its getting an update soonish as been mentioned here,
Then used that with some drum apps.
I kinda found that I liked the drum sounds from reggae drummer, as all my reggae samples are on pc, and realised that I wasn't really gaining much.
And it was hit and miss
I now have a clean init patch in reggae drummer, and build my loops in reggae drummer, then record the audio
A real manual or thorough explanation from the man Luis would be a great help
@moher I’ve just assigned 8 of my pads (top and bottom 4 on the left side) to correspond with the mapping in soft drummer and can now ‘play’ soft drummer from cubasis. I use soft drummer most days but this has forced me to learn something new... good luck and give me a shout if it doesn’t work...
For receiving notes, you have to turn on the Sound Module switch in Soft Drummer. I think it only listens to incoming notes when that is on.
@moher Honestly, it isn't worth jumping through all the hoops.. the frustration + time wasting.. complete BS..
Build the song inside of the Lumbeat app until it's complete + then export the midi +/or audio file(s), import the midi file (which can still be edited), play it back using the Sound Module feature in the Lumbeat drum app.. Done + Done.. Use the power of EXPORT.. that's what it's there for..
If you want to understand why I've come to that conclusion, you can continue to read this..
Details for playback of the exported midi file are in here too.. good luck..
(spoilers within spoilers)
This has been an ongoing issue.. I wanted to give it 1 more try to see if anything has improved since last time I tried.. sadly.. no.. so here was my experience with it today..
Both apps have been updated at least once since my last effort..
This was in Cubasis 2 (don’t have 3).. It could all be different in 3.. I’m nearly positive it WILL BE.. please don’t shoot this messenger..
I was using Soft Drummer to test this and after all the setup, it would only record the midi notes 1 time.. that’s it..
I would have to kill the whole session, quit Cubasis + Soft Drummer, restart, make sure send notes was activated again in SD (it NEVER was).. Once I was sure it was set.. it would still record ONLY 1 time no matter what I did..😡 WTF!! To top it all off, it would miss the very 1st beat + everything before beat 2.. every time.. 🤷♂️
+++ Lucky for us.. you can now export midi + audio from most of the Lumbeat apps.. I’d say that’s the best bet right now..+++
Here’s how you can playback the exported midi
To playback Lumbeat exported Midi:
In Cubasis:
-Create midi track with no instrument + import the midi you wish to use
-route midi out to Virtual Midi (choose same channel as Lumbeat app)
-Don’t mute this channel or you won’t hear anything
-create audio track for Lumbeat app
-in routing, choose IAA > Lumbeat app
-make sure monitoring is on (round blue button)
In Lumbeat app:
-switch to Sound Module mode
These were my settings if you still wish to try recording the midi from a Lumbeat drum app:
Using Cubasis 2
In Lumbeat drum app:
-Disable Ableton Link
-Turn on Send Notes
-Midi out to Cubasis (NO CLOCK IN OR OUT - it made NO difference so I chose to keep them OFF)
In Cubasis:
-Turn off send midi clock
On Midi track:
-best to use no instrument
-select Virtual Midi (in routing + choose same midi channel as Lumbeat app OR All)
-make sure track is armed to record
-hit record
-pray
Some good advice from a similar thread..
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/comment/668440/#Comment_668440
@AndyPlankton said:
I tend to use the Lumbeat apps these days though, load on an audio track in Cubasis but with lumbeat master level turned down inside the app, and then record the MIDI output onto a MIDI track
If in the lumbeat app you turn off link, and do not enable MIDI Clock, for now at least, it uses IAA sync...so starts and stops with the Cubasis transport.....by doing this you can still use the song builder within the lumbeat app if that is your particular poison. Avoids the copy paste thing too
Once you've recorded your midi, you can either send back to lumbeat (set in sound module mode) or send to the cubasis kits, or like me, an external drum module.
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In Soft Drummer pick 'Cubasis' as the output device, then in Cubasis select 'Virtual MIDI' as the input device....
This is the case when sending MIDI to Cubasis from any other app that allows you to select an output device, if you select Cubasis in the source app, then this is the 'Virtual MIDI' port in Cubasis itself.
@royor that is the best reply I’ve ever seen. I will read it and read it again and learn from it.
So true. These apps are an amazing source of joy and pain. Most of my pain
involves sync'ing with DAW's but the recent move towards exporting audio and MIDI files
will probably save me the headaches since I don't really need LIVE behaviors.
But when I do want a live experience I put iBassist in control and export live MIDI Basslines,
Chordal patterns for partnered Synth Apps. I iBassist can be the start/stop controller for any partnered LumBeats Drum app (and there are so many) and the style selected in iBassist will automatically select a suitable pattern in the drum app. There's also some useful benefits to Ableton Link support and potentially MIDI clock.
But it's potential uses are always creating logic puzzles for me to figure out how to get the drums sync'ed with a DAW but importing Wave and MIDI files should help fix that.
Digging in and documenting some training would be great. I hope you accept the challenge
and PM @LuisMartinez for some App codes too! He makes his own videos to help generate sales but not to help us integrate his apps into our complex workflows. But the Forum generally gets us the clues we need to solve most problems or at least find out it's a known
issue with no solution. There are clues that AUM may get an update to support an external MIDI clock but that's a sync fix and might not address who gets to be the primary start/stop
transport master. That's usually AudioBus3 in most situations using the "Hybrid-DAW" (Xequence+AB3+AUM).
Life gets even more fun when you add external hardware to the workflow I'm sure. And most Live artists do just that.
@rud I hope it helps to at least keep others from wasting time..
I really would love for someone that owns CB3 to hop on here and tell us that everything is working fine..
Cheers for the screenshots.. helpful for anyone attempting to try this.. Oh, by the way, were you using CB2 or 3? From your screenshots it looks like 2.. and it also looks like notes were missing from beat 1 and a bit further (as I noted in my somewhat rant)..
@royor i am still using Cubasis 2. Also, I’m not sure if there were beats missing but the whole midi export had a pause before it started. I think the ‘jam’ setting caused the random differences in the drum pattern but I’m not certain on that.
My worry is that, since the update...
1. I get a stuttered start whenever I record as inter-app in cubasis (hopefully visible in the screenshot). Instead of one hit there are several. I usually record audio but experimented with midi today following Mohan’s question.
2. Even if I have the ‘jamming’ up high and ‘fill every 4 bars’ it just records the straight beat with no variation. It works sometimes but I don’t know how to make it work every time like it used to.
3. If I go to ‘live pads’ and trigger a fill manually the fill button doesn’t switch off after a fill.
4. The ‘fill & end’ button provides a fill and the beat finishes for one bar before starting itself again.
I’m gonna read through your post again tomorrow and see if there’s anything in there that I can alter in my settings to see if that helps. Again, great post with such detail.
I use Soft Drummer in nearly every track but it ain’t the same anymore and I’d love to know if there’s anything that can fix this. Hopefully @LuisMartinez can shed some light on this.
In regards to Lumbeats in Cubasis 3 as @royor pointed out it's currently really not worth it since you can just export the midi. But this is how I got midi to record in Cubasis 3. But as @royor pointed out it will only work once then you have to close Cubasis and start the process over to record more midi. After I record midi in the movie I delete the track and do the exact same steps but no midi is recorded the second time. I have reproduced this with soft drummer and funk drummer on ipad air 2 ios 13.6.1. I think this same procedure works much better in Cubasis 2.This video was made with Cubasis 3.1.1 not the new 3.1.2.
@hacked_to_pieces Awesome video! 👍 I was already far too frustrated to try to do the same.. and really, needed to see if it did work specifically for CB3 as @moher requested.. Wished the outcome would’ve been different in CB3.. thanks for confirming..
It looks like the new generation of Lumbeats apps have new problems with the virtual MIDI stuff. I am having erratic behavior with SoftDrummer that I never experienced before recording notes from it and sending notes back.
I checked out one of their older apps (Afro-Latin beat drummer) and it works fine. SoftDrummer sometimes just stops sending notes and stutters badly at start. The old apps don’t stutter but they take a couple of beats before they start sending notes. I had similar but not identical issues when Cubasis, and Auria Pro were the host.
I've experienced the same with Funk and Soft.
There is definitely a new wrinkle in the code...
@LuisMartinez : in case you are getting notifications form AB Forum: the new generation of apps is having problems with virtual MIDI in and out not present in the older versions.
Thanks a lot warm people for your messages!!
I really appreciate your help, advices and explanations.
Thanks Rud for sharing your very well illustrated process to achieve it. I ll try it as soon as possible and I ll let you know. ( I just get back to work and can not spend the time I would with music).
Espiegel, Royor and Rud. You re right! The sound module might be the angular stone to be able to use properly Lumbeats drum in a daw.
Royor, thanks for giving me another perspective on it and for a full step by step explanation with also the procedure to avoid. Amazing! I ll try it as soon as I can.
Big thanks to Crackelpot , LinerLinerman, Espiegel, AndyPlankton that I contacted before this thread was starting to get some activities and that also generosly shared their process, experiences and frustracions. ( I ll copy their messages if their agree in this thread).
Thanks to hisdudeness, Nicebutfun, Gavinski SNsystrom, , McD, TJA and Hacked to pieces for sharing your thoughts and advices!
I ll try all of that and I ll give you my impressions.
But one thing is clear these drums are a serious pain in the A to get what should be normal and simple with a modern midi instrument. This shouldn't be so twisted to configurate by the user. These drums are so good sounding it s a shame they are not more cooperative.
I was thinking if you people think it s appropriate to send this thread to Luis Martinez the dev. Seems hard to reach but hopefully he'll soften the process in a futur update.
@mcd I think Luis would be up for that but I need to understand these apps better before I make a video on them.
I used reggae drummer in my latest video, synced to aum by ableton link. But I found that if I ran it for a few mins the sync started to drift. Is that the kind of problem you're talking about with sync? Does anyone know how to fix this? If there's one thing I need in a drum app, it's that it'll keep time 😂😂. Unless it was Enso in the same session that was going off the beat, but I don't think so....
To be fair to Luis, I know no one is having a dig at him, just these midi problems.
About 6 months ago, I missed the reggae drummer sale, mailed him, and he sorted me out, which I am very grateful.
Due to his kindness I instantly brought ibassist as my way to say thank you. Which I certainly don't regret.
Annoyingly have missed a few of the other sales as they only last 24 hrs
I agree, trying to mail him, is the best option.
I hope he chimes in
Damn I like his apps!