Any apps with which to play time-stretched samples via MIDI?

[Deleted User]

Pretty much summed up in the title. That’s all I need the app to do: allow time-stretched samples to be played via MIDI (including from external hardware).

Is there such a thing?

Thanks!

wim

@emjay said:
Pretty much summed up in the title. That’s all I need the app to do: allow time-stretched samples to be played via MIDI (including from external hardware).

Is there such a thing?

Thanks!

Humm ... it doesn't really say it all. It says that you need an app to play samples that have been time stretched. I assume you mean it needs to be able to do the time stretching as well? Otherwise, any app that can trigger samples would work.

Assuming that you mean it needs to be able to stretch the samples, do you mean in real-time? For instance, if you change the tempo do the samples need to stretch in real-time to match the tempo? Do they need to retain the same pitch when stretched?

When you say "played via MIDI" do you mean "triggered via MIDI", or do you mean something like being able to "play" the samples at different pitches from a keyboard? Does "playing" mean you need them to play only while a key or pad is held down, or just be triggered start to finish when you hit the key or pad? Do you always need them to play from the beginning, or sometimes to start later in the sample? Do they ever need to fade in or out?

What kind of samples are we talking about here? Are they short like drum hits, or longer, like one or more measures? Do they need to be able to loop? How long are they generally?

rs2000

@emjay said:
Pretty much summed up in the title. That’s all I need the app to do: allow time-stretched samples to be played via MIDI (including from external hardware).

Is there such a thing?

Thanks!

If what you mean is play a sample at different pitches without its length changed then this is one solution:
https://patchstorage.com/slicer-with-time-stretch/

Polar

Bm3 lets you time stretch and trigger via midi in either different pitches or different slices. Probably the best option

Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr

AUM will stretch your loops, but I don’t know if it allows midi triggers. If not, resample the stretched loops in AUM and trigger them in a daw.

rs2000

@Polar said:
Bm3 lets you time stretch and trigger via midi in either different pitches or different slices. Probably the best option

Agreed.

wim

BM3 for sure covers all the bases. Seems like the OP was looking for something simpler though.

(Insert obligatory wish that the BM3 sampler was a separate AU ... and all the related responses that it'll never happen, developers never communicate, it crashes all the time, it hardly ever crashes for me, blah blah blah, BM3 is awesome, I gave up BM3, nothing on iOS works right, I've gone back to desktop, people shouldn't expect iOS to replace desktops, I love iOS, why doesn't someone just clone Ableton Simpler for iOS blah blah blah ... You're welcome for saving everyone the 200 unrelated related posts. )

[Deleted User]

Mostly, I would love to be able to play, for example, just one sample - could be a short one-shot, a looped patch, a lengthy sample, etc. - as an instrument using an external MIDI device (be it keyboard, sequencer, whatever). Time-stretched “in real time”, per note as it were.

More than that is welcome, but not strictly necessary.

Sorry, yes, should’ve been clearer.

And it seems that the only options - and even these are apparently very few - restrict time-stretching to +1/-1 octave ... which wouldn’t be enough.

edit: Or does BM3 do better than that?

rs2000

@emjay said:
Mostly, I would love to be able to play, for example, just one sample - could be a short one-shot, a looped patch, a lengthy sample, etc. - as an instrument using an external MIDI device (be it keyboard, sequencer, whatever). Time-stretched “in real time”, per note as it were.

More than that is welcome, but not strictly necessary.

Sorry, yes, should’ve been clearer.

And it seems that the only options - and even these are apparently very few - restrict time-stretching to +1/-1 octave ... which wouldn’t be enough.

Only very few options exist because even within the +/-1 oct range, the sound quality already goes down considerably with large pitch shifting or time stretching amounts.
Have you tried the listed options?
If quality doesn't matter then something like that could be built rather easily with the tools we already have on iOS.

wim

@emjay said:
Mostly, I would love to be able to play, for example, just one sample - could be a short one-shot, a looped patch, a lengthy sample, etc. - as an instrument using an external MIDI device (be it keyboard, sequencer, whatever). Time-stretched “in real time”, per note as it were.

More than that is welcome, but not strictly necessary.

Sorry, yes, should’ve been clearer.

And it seems that the only options - and even these are apparently very few - restrict time-stretching to +1/-1 octave ... which wouldn’t be enough.

edit: Or does BM3 do better than that?

It's still not clear to me.

• Do you want the pitch of the sample to go up as you play the sample on higher keys?
• What do you mean by "stretched"? Made longer? Like, if the pitch of the sample goes up, does the length of the sample need to stay the same? Or stretched in some other way, like lengthened to match the tempo of a song if you change it?
• Time-stretched per note? What does that mean?

But, maybe it's not important. If Pitch changes more than one octave are needed, not much is going to work well except for short samples such as a piano note or drum hit, and even then the quality is going to be poor.

[Deleted User]

if the pitch of the sample goes up, does the length of the sample need to stay the same?

Yes, that. Or if it goes down, of course.

espiegel123

@emjay said:

if the pitch of the sample goes up, does the length of the sample need to stay the same?

Yes, that. Or if it goes down, of course.

BM3 does the best job of that on iOS, imo.

Philandering_Bastard

@wim said:
BM3 for sure covers all the bases. Seems like the OP was looking for something simpler though.

(Insert obligatory wish that the BM3 sampler was a separate AU ... and all the related responses that it'll never happen, developers never communicate, it crashes all the time, it hardly ever crashes for me, blah blah blah, BM3 is awesome, I gave up BM3, nothing on iOS works right, I've gone back to desktop, people shouldn't expect iOS to replace desktops, I love iOS, why doesn't someone just clone Ableton Simpler for iOS blah blah blah ... You're welcome for saving everyone the 200 unrelated related posts. )

And just like that, the Audiobus forum poofed out of existence.

[Deleted User]

Indeed. Something like Simpler or [parts of] FL Studio would be ideal.