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Is Zenbeats a viable alternative for a frustrated but devoted Auria Pro user?
Before I take an IAP plunge, I wonder, fundamentally, what Auria Pro can do that Zenbeats with IAPs cannot. I don’t care much about the loops, etc. I want to have a positive DAW experience, using MIDI tracks (e.g. Rozeta Bassline) and audio tracks with IAA and AUv3 instruments, plus a lot of effects. And preferably bussing. Thank you all in advance!
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Zenbeats doesn’t do IAA. Also, it has send tracks, but not bussing. Auria Pro and Zenbeats are very different in focus. AP is closer to a “serious” DAW, along the lines of ProTools if that means anything to you. It’s very capable, if somewhat ... I dunno ... rigid? Some people really hate the sequencer. I don’t, and I appreciate its power, but I can’t say it inspires much creativity in me. Zenbeats is less powerful as a final production DAW, but I find it more creatively inspiring.
Cubasis is a better nice middle ground, IMO. But it doesn’t have bussing. It’s on sale until Sept 14.
For me and my uses, Cubasis 3 is thee Auria Pro alternative. No knock on zenbeats.
I know everyones needs/workflow is different.
Usually I do beats in NanoStudio 2 and track vocals in Cubasis 3 these days.
Cubasis 3 has group tracks. They act like a buss. I use them to sum my kick and bass and use another for my drums. You get 6 effects per group channel plus eq and channel strip. You can use Rozeta as a midi effect and apply it to an instrument (auv3) and also record the midi and edit it later. Cubasis has a bit of a learning curve though. Hope that helps.
Zenbeats has subtracks, you can set up effects for the group (or for each sub individually).
They only really do anything for multi-out plugins though, don’t they?
Ah, yes, that's right, for multi-out plugins like Poly 2 etc.
On that note, it's quite nice how you get all the multi-out subtracks of e.g. Poly 2 set up automatically, instead of having to build it manually in AUM.
Nope. Zenbeats has just sends but not groups (subtracks). Sends are something a bit different than groups. You cannot group audio from multiple tracks into one group track and then use sends rom this group - that is not possible in ZB.
Indeed, it was already corrected that the ZB subtracks are only for multi-out plugins, at least for now.
Thanks, all! @bleep that is a cool multi-out feature. How do you feel about the editing and mixing part of using Zenbeats, leaving busses/groups out of it for a moment?
I have Cubasis and I just don’t care for it myself; like @ipadbeatmaking says, workflow and what feels right are personal...
Thanks, again!
I maybe wrong but I think you are trying to do your writing / mixing / mastering in the same DAW. I read in this forum a while back a advice to use each DAW for its strength and I have stuck to it.
I use Cubasis for writing (midi editing)
Export to Auria for mixing (bussing/ side chaining)
Grand finale for Mastering
The DAW in iOS are not full featured enough yet to do it all in one.
I find that going from one app to another to do a different task help me change hat from songwriter to mixer to master(er). Works for my brain maybe not yours.
It also helps with the iPad ressources. I can’t see a iPad having enough power for writing/mixing/mastering all in one session. Unless you use very few instrument and effect.
NOTE: READ THIS WITH A SENSE OF FUN. HUMOR ALERT.
Well shall see...
OK. You are probably not wrong.
Looks like you follow @richardyot and take notes.
It's pretty slick but that whole 2 to 3 transition complicates the discussion.
Just get to 3 people and increase the momentum to add more cool features.
In 10 years it's going to be OK and maybe even a joy to use. Because in 10 years
I will learn it and it should be stable.
OK. I'm not doing that BUT if I had clients waiting for the "good shit" I'd do it
but more than likely... (hello MacBook).
Did you NOT see the Bark Filter Secret? You must be new.
Sure. But in 10 years... mark my words. (I'll be dead by then anyway).
"One hat per task" is so 90's. See Billie E and Finneas. Go into business with your sister or your brother and never leave the house. (Desktop tools however).
10 years will do it. We'll be doing live work on our watches.
With Neural Implants we won't need headphones but they will still require one of your
organs in trade since it will be early days for that new inter-connect.
@ecou : I totally agree with all of that. I try to use Auria almost exclusively for basic audio editing and mixing. I try to avoid doing any MIDI editing in Auria; I’ll typically edit in an app like Baseline or Atom Roll and record the MIDI (eventually) in Auria when it becomes helpful to do so, or I feel really final about something.
My only big difference is that I typically write in AUM or Ape Matrix, and either recreate it or export to Auria, depending on the song, my mood, and any timing issues/questions.
It’s the mixing that’s the most important aspect. I’m one of those poor souls for whom Auria is super crashy and glitchy. So, I’m looking for an alternative (having tried and not liked Cubasis) and Zenbeats seems like the latest candidate.
Thanks for the heads up 😋
I am wrong pretty often.
Was it? Thanks @richardyot for the good advice !
Learn it faster.
Lol ! I listened to some video and did not like what I heard.
I'm a boomer! Not really but my parents are. Don't have brother or sisters 😭😭
Billie Easton! yeah he was my buddy back in the days.
Auria used to be crashy for me. Then I got the Toneboosters line of app. I mostly use them and internal Auria effects.
I found a couple if auv3 I was using were causing the crashing. You need to do test and find the guilty parties.
Have you seen how small those faders are in Zenbeats? I love Zenbeats and it's my most used DAW, but I wouldn't use it for final mixing of anything serious.
It also still has occasional rendering issues for some plugins.
No IAA in Zenbeats. Keeps me from making the jump from Auria for the moment.
I would really LOVE to have a Daw that can :
RECEIVE midi clock reliably, so I can press the start/stop/ tempo on my keyboard and it responds,
AND has the power of Auria,
Does such a Kritter exist?
On iOS? No.
I haven't explored ZB as far as I should to make a good decision but to me they are so different I can't comprehend using one as an alternative to the other.
@McD , ten years seems long. I think it’ll be nine. In all seriousness, I’m old enough to remember when desktop DAWs had a lot of the same problems/limitations/madnesses that we’re going through on iOS, and that took way more than ten years to straighten them out to the relative joy that is Ableton, Logic, Harrison Mix Bus, etc.
@ecou I’ve been testing deleting apps, and it’s gotten better, but only better. Will keep going.
I appreciate the Zenbeats answers, too. Definitely good food for thought. I think I’ll wait until it goes on sale or I have some time on my hands to really dig in.
I love this forum.
Take on of your most crash project and focus on those Auv3 . Make a copy of the project and make a preset of the settings of each Auv3. Remove them all and bring them back one at at time. Making sure to exit Auria and reloading between each New auv3.
Thats what I did to find my problems Auv3.
OK. I'm going to steal "your" opinions and take notes. My skills stop with Bark Filter.
Mostly because it's easy. I'm currently looking for a simple way to side-chain.
Sure. I go from app to app but they tend to be Safari, YouTube, MineSweeper, Strip_Chess (2 years in and I'm down to my briefs).
I preferred his sister Sheena. (I'll be here all week... tip your server).
I like Grand Finale. It Is a intermediate step toward doing real mastering myself with Apps. That still scares me. I just read 2 books on mixing. The book on mastering is next. Maybe in 2021 il will star ruining my master by myself with the help Tonebooster.
That’s pretty good. Most people would be Brief less by now.
Toss a coin to your Witcher.