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Sadness For Our Fellow Californians, Washingtonians and Oregonians

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  • @ehehehe:

    Sorry to get personal with you. It's extraordinary easy to take offense to even the slightest affront to my opinions when I'm surrounded by dense smoke (but hopefully no fire). Plenty of my dear friends and family have been evacuated and/or lost homes or cars.

    As for my myopia, I full understand that no matter how horrible it is for people here, elsewhere in the world this would be an improvement to there person situation.

    Sadly the west coast event truly restrict my ability to appreciate opinions that might even slightly deviate from my own.

    Hopefully after this event is over (January/February???) we can rejoin this discussion?!?!

    Cheers, peace, and good health to you, sir!

  • @motmeister said:

    Went to Home Depot yesterday. I saw another customer with one and he pointed to the place where they were supposed to be. ALMOST empty shelves. My good fortune was the size I needed was still on the shelf.

    So happy for you!

    Feel bad for those later who were unable to get one themselves...

    Was at the grocery this morning and an unstable elderly woman with a cane was hobbling 20 yards to where the shopping carts were located. I raced-up and rolled a cart to her. She smiled, but then realized she had forgotten to bring a mask.

    I had a container of fresh ones (non-N-95 but at least she would be allowed in the door) in my vehicle and gave one to her.

    A minor detail in the grand scheme of things these days, but her grateful smile has warmed my heart all day...

  • Here in Portland, Oregon we're grateful for lack of actual fire but yeah, breathing sucks. Worst city air quality in the world for three days running now. And it looks like it's going to get worse before it gets better. Hoping for rain on Monday.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/portland-seattle-air-quality-worst-in-world_n_5f5bc14bc5b6b485080034ad

  • @syrupcore said:
    Here in Portland, Oregon we're grateful for lack of actual fire but yeah, breathing sucks. Worst city air quality in the world for three days running now. And it looks like it's going to get worse before it gets better. Hoping for rain on Monday.

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/portland-seattle-air-quality-worst-in-world_n_5f5bc14bc5b6b485080034ad

    Apparently we had the title for a few hours today but yah overall you are kicking our butts.

  • @MeatWalrus said:
    @LinearLineman thanks for the thread my Mother’s house burned down she lived in Berry Creek California. the fire ripped through the area they had little warning to evacuate. .

    Oh, no, so sorry to hear that.

  • 305 in Portland????

    Holly crap! For reference, when the air quality reaches 200, NFL games are either moved to new locations or cancelled entirely.

    305 sounds more like an area code than an air quality designation.

    Can even imagine breathing that crap.

  • It's pretty bad - take my word for it.

    @SNystrom said:
    305 in Portland????

    Holly crap! For reference, when the air quality reaches 200, NFL games are either moved to new locations or cancelled entirely.

    305 sounds more like an area code than an air quality designation.

    Can even imagine breathing that crap.

  • Thanks @johnfromberkeley @AudioGus , @SNystrom no she is with my sister and I live out state. She said she let me know when to come down . Here’s a couple pics her friend sent her of her home.

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    @SNystrom said:

    @rms13 said:

    @SNystrom said:
    Yes the are reputable news organizations, most people simply prefer to consume Faux News that pretends to be truthful — just like a president they love.

    The uneducated members of the right wing population distrust fact-based truth like science. No masks, no vaccines, no climate change; more guns and ammo solves everything.

    That’s your opinion. All news now is editorialized propaganda

    No. You are wrong.

    I have an MSJ (master of science) in Journalism and have been a journalist since I was ten years old.

    Back then, most media outlets were owned by families and that family went out in public, listened to their community and took opinions from members of it seriously. Their livelihood depended upon it.

    Today, most media outlets are operated by a hedge-fund vultures, whose primary objective is ungodly profits at any cost. Newsrooms have been evicerated.

    A couple of years ago there was a massive fire in the California city of Redding (pop opprox 80,000)

    You might have heard of the Carr fire. It was on the national news for days.

    The "newspaper" there (Redding Record-Searchlight) had been is the process of "cost-cutting" by the corporate vultures.

    They had totally eliminated the seven-member photography department, so when the biggest story in the history of the city erupted, they had zero photographers to cover it. ZERO!

    Think about that for a moment.

    The vast majority of journalists make less than your average public works employee or solid waste disposal worker. They got into journalism not to become rich, but to shine light to truth.

    There's an old (sexist) saying: "The only way to get rich as a journalist is to marry the publisher's daughter."

    TV journalists were always looked-down upon by the print folk. They bought the morning paper and stole the stories there to report on the evening news.

    Due to massive cuts and layoffs, today there is little if anything to steal. As a result, more TV stations (pushed by their conglomerate vulture owners) are forced to run pre-packaged "news" stories and right-leaning "opinion editorials" that promote the political bias of ownership.

    With newspapers, the editorial (or opinion) page contained to just that, while the rest of the paper was unbiased. Just the facts.

    Today, TV news is much more opinionated. Fox and CNN are the worst offenders. It used to be they held their opionated reporting for prime time and ran straight reporting until that time.

    Today I see opinion creeping more and more into the daytime slots.

    So, who is straight-up?

    On TV, I would highly recommend the PBS Newshour. They are consistently the best show on TV. You'll probably be bored to death at first because they won't be sensational. They won't use key incindiary phrases that will bring out the left or right winger joy in you.

    They will tell you about people in a far away place like Belarus or Uganda where they are dealing with a problem that also resonates here — only you can view it simply as a problem. Not a right wing or left wing problem, just a problem that perhaps left and right wingers could solve together because they have yet to be indoctrinated into what is obviously the "only solution that makes any sense at all!"

    As for newspapers, The Wall Street Journal is often seen as a right-wing paper by the left, but it does a reasonably good job of keeping political opinion to a minimum in its news sections.

    And like it or not, The New York Times does the same as well. Right-wingers are laughing their asses-off right now, but they are equally unbiased in their news sections. The right despises them because they've been indoctrinated for decades to believe it to be the truth. The same goes for The Washington Post.

    The Guardian newspaper is equally well run. I'm often amazed that from Europe they will have more complete coverage of breaking news than most any US publication. Give these outlets a chance and please support them financially if you are able. The number of working journalists in the USA has been cut by 50% in just the last decade. Real, honest news is not free.

    I hope this helps, but feel free to ask more questions...

    Great post, thanks for sharing. I'm a huge Guardian fan. Certainly they have their moments and of course they lean left (though I have a right wing friend who regards them as far left, which is ludicrous) but by and large they are a pretty trustworthy source. No comparison whatsoever with anything Rupert Murdoch related. It's very clear that TV stations and newspapers run by rich businessmen are generally not the place to get your news from. Oh, Rupert Murdoch's newspapers and TV stations don't like taxation or other forms of redistribution of wealth, wow, that's weird, I wonder why that would be....🤔

  • I always thought the Guardian did a better job than most US papers, too. @Gavinski is right, I think.
    So many of us lived in a sweet spot for so many years. I pretty much lived in my own bubble and loved it. This year I finally took in a lot of things. What white privilege I have enjoyed, my own defensiveness and how that doesn’t let my partner be heard, the joy of breathing when I had trouble with it for several months, the ability to find yeast in the supermarket and a bunch of other stuff.

    India is fast coming up to be the leader in Covid infection and deaths. A land where all the 22 languages spoken lack words for depression and mental health. They don’t think it proper to express their deeper feelings and emotional difficulties... apparently.

    Just as you can’t say “My life” (who is the “my” who has a life? It’s just life) you can’t really say “My” problem or “Your” problem. They are all connected... like those seven degrees of Kevin Bacon. Maybe it will end when we all feel we are in it together. But the pain of such enlightenment has to spread far and wide. It never does in the scI fi books or in Mar-a-lago. We all must feel the feeling of “I’ve lost everything,” to really understand. And that, IMO, is very unlikely.... but we’re getting there.

    As one who has pretty much lost everything materially, I can tell you it is an interesting perspective!
    But I lost it gradually and almost voluntarily. When you see a desolate woman with a child looking at the ashes and saying it... that’s a whole ‘nother thing. Best of luck, everyone.

  • Id donate a jacket and clothes from Uk, if theres a way.

  • So very sad to see where your mother’s house once stood. Truly heartbreaking.

    I can only imagine all the wonderful memories,photographs,and other precious knick-knacks that we’re lost as a result.

    If she could create a basic needs wish list, perhaps the always generous members of the forum could purchase replacement items for her to make her new home (wherever it is) a little more comfortable.

    Please let us know what she needs...

  • Sounds like you've had a good year in terms of self discovery @LinearLineman

    I think definitely a lot of us in the 'developed' world are being kicked out of our complacency by the harsh onslaught of change in our world in these past few years. We felt that pandemics were things that happened in other countries, that democracy had won, that we lived under reasonably benign rulership, not ideal, sure, but decent enough even when the other party (whichever other means for you) was in power. Many, not all, felt coddled and were living in their various bubbles of privilege and all the shit going on in places like Africa, Syria and Afghanistan was hard to relate to or care about.

    Sometimes, unfortunately, people have to really suffer - and inflict - a lot of pain before they wake up. Ask anyone who's sat through an AA meeting or knows someone going through that process to hear stories about that... in Buddhism people sometimes refer to the pleasant path and the painful path. The pleasant one involves mediation techniques like generating positive emotions, the painful one involves things like visualising your body as a corpse etc. Looks like the west is going through the latter. Of course, there is only benefit to going through this if we actually use it to grow. It can equally make us even more fearful, selfish and uncaring. It's up to us to choose our responses, at least insofar as we are capable of that, and that ability does differ from person to person in my view.

  • Thank you @Gavinski.

    So many are unaware of how so many heartless “industrialists” are attempting to purchase our truly free press — only for the singular purpose of silencing it.

    There is a new free press emerging. Very slowly. When you get wind of one created near you, please support it.

    It will be one of the only true barriers protecting the people from rule by the oligarchs.

    Oh, and BTW, I really love your videos! 🤗

  • Cheers! @SNystrom yes, this is going off on a tangent somewhat, but on the topic of the word 'free', it's very disturbing to me the way this term has been abused in recent years, used to manipulate and set above almost any other values such as compassion etc. I say this only to mention that people in the west, and in America in particular, tend to think their countries and systems are a lot more free than they actually are.

    A totally free system nearly always serves the interests of the powerful, as they are free to use their power and money to buy more power and get more money. Picture a class of kids where the teacher just steps back and says, you're all free to do what you want, and see how the power will gravitate towards the strong and selfish. (Politicians are often sociopaths, sadly. Daniel Schmactenberger has a lot of incredibly smart things to say on this stuff.) These power imbalances were less likely to happen in hunter gatherer societies, because people had much stronger repercussions for selfish behaviour than we do now in large societies surrounded by strangers, or on the Internet, where terrible behaviour can go largely unpunished by the group. In small groups, people would get ostracised and left unable to survive in many cases, if they overstepped the bounds of what the group found acceptable.

    America as a country is guilty of perhaps the most cynical use of the word freedom in the history of mankind. Adam Curtis's documentaries (mostly available free on youtube) are a real eye opener in this regard, Hypernormalisation is a good one to start with.

  • Couldn’t agree more @Gavinski!

    Since 1980 (Ronnie Ray-Gun) the wealthy have become immensely richer at the expense of the poor.

    When Dictator Donnie says he “loves the uneducated,” he’s basically saying he loves those who are so stupid they will vote for those who deliberately work against their best interests.

    Anyway, again getting off-topic.

    Let’s get back to doing whatever we can to help an support those who are suffering from the West Coast firestorm...

  • Let's try to avoid calling anyone stupid, 😂, ppl all have their different stories. Not saying everyone's opinions are equally valid or anything, definitely not. Just trying to keep the peace in the forum a little bit, it's nice that people from various sides of the spectrum can mingle and share here.

    Anyway, I don't want to get too bogged down in politics. Back to working on my ideas for a video series on Rozeta Suite 😋

  • Well, i myself have to admit I’ve been stupid many times — fortunately in my formative years, but yeah, let’s move on to more fire victim compassion and incredible Rozeta Suite videos!

  • I’m in the Portland area. I’m in no danger of fire, though there was a smaller fire just a little south of where I live. It’s about 3/4 contained at this point.

    Air quality is seriously poor. I’m working at home anyway and can limit my need to go outside, but it’s starting to seep in very slowly and I wish I could just open windows for fresh air. I had to go grocery shopping today. You can taste the ash in the air and my car is covered in visible ash residue.

    I was going to go on a short backpacking trip close to where there are now fires this weekend. Definitely not anymore.

  • AQI is 320 where I am now. Portland itself is worse at 411!!! This is 10:05pm PST.

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    I work in Gresham, [20 miles East from Portland] not far from Troutdale, which was measured at 807 AQI (!) today, not sure what time. I was outside for about 10 minutes this morning, making a chemical delivery to the upstairs fab where I work. I’m hoping it was not this high earlier today. At least I had N95 mask on. Even the Troutdale Amazon hub sent their people home. I did a 12 hour shift. Fuck me.

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/troutdale/97060/air-quality-index/2187195

    @DMan said:
    AQI is 320 where I am now. Portland itself is worse at 411!!! This is 10:05pm PST.

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    @SNystrom said:
    Couldn’t agree more @Gavinski!

    Since 1980 (Ronnie Ray-Gun) the wealthy have become immensely richer at the expense of the poor.

    When Dictator Donnie says he “loves the uneducated,” he’s basically saying he loves those who are so stupid they will vote for those who deliberately work against their best interests.

    Anyway, again getting off-topic.

    Thing is, you are on topic. We wouldn't have such terrifying climate change effects if it wasn't for right-wing politicians like Trump, who, whether they believe in it or not, supress climate friendly alternatives and policies to keep their billionaire fossil fuel mates rich. And in turn the billionaire mates buy up the media to brainwash the masses and keep the Trumpettes in power.

    Same here with the Tories. National self-harm on a global scale enabled by a corrupt media that works on the basis that the average bloke in the street isn't interested in politics, so they feed them soundbites and memes. Bullshit and lies usually, but it's harder to convince and expose something as fake news, than it is to seed it in the first place. The bloke on the street has alwready swallowed it, and shared it on Facebook.

    My thoughts are with those affected by the fires - they look terrifying. I remember seeing daily reports from my mates in Australia earlier in the year, as the fires there got closer to their properties. The opposite here in the UK west - the new thing is storms and floods.

    Stay safe people, the World is now a scary place to be.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @rms13 said:
    4 people arrested for arson so far in CA, OR and WA. I’m in southern CA and so far just dealing with worst air quality in 30 years, red sun and it looking like sunset at 3pm because of how dark skies are getting. I have a kid at home with asthma so we haven’t been outside for days. The truth is that almost all wildfires are set by people either intentionally or accidentally but the the thought that people are intentionally setting them during an extreme heat wave when risk is so high is disgusting

    I am curious about the arson claims I have been hearing. Are there any sources for that? Latest I could find is this https://globalnews.ca/news/7330872/us-wildfires-misinformation/

    We had them here too in Cyprus.. Really bad fires.. Done by Arsons...

  • @SNystrom said:
    So very sad to see where your mother’s house once stood. Truly heartbreaking.

    I can only imagine all the wonderful memories,photographs,and other precious knick-knacks that we’re lost as a result.

    If she could create a basic needs wish list, perhaps the always generous members of the forum could purchase replacement items for her to make her new home (wherever it is) a little more comfortable.

    Please let us know what she needs...

    @SNystrom thank you ,

    https://gf.me/u/yyc2gx
    My sister made a go fund me page .
    thank

  • @Crawlingwind said:
    I work in Gresham, [20 miles East from Portland] not far from Troutdale, which was measured at 807 AQI (!) today, not sure what time. I was outside for about 10 minutes this morning, making a chemical delivery to the upstairs fab where I work. I’m hoping it was not this high earlier today. At least I had N95 mask on. Even the Troutdale Amazon hub sent their people home. I did a 12 hour shift. Fuck me.

    https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/troutdale/97060/air-quality-index/2187195

    @DMan said:
    AQI is 320 where I am now. Portland itself is worse at 411!!! This is 10:05pm PST.

    The AQI is going down with all this fog. I’m in the SW suburbs it hasn’t been as bad over this way as the eastern side, but it’s still pretty bad. The link you have says it’s 295 there now. The Same site says 274 where I am, but another source says 204 where I am and this is the one I originally used. This is 11:08am PST.

  • edited September 2020

    Uggh :(

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