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Art installation commission price?

Just got an offer for a 10 minute piece for an art exhibit. I have no clue what to charge. Anybody here have any experience with this sort of thing?

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  • edited October 2020

    Depends on the venue and type of installation. Recording or live? Shoe-string private gallery? Well funded public museum?

    Edit: Original piece or something canned?

  • @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Depends on the venue and type of installation. Recording or live? Shoe-string private gallery? Well funded public museum?

    Edit: Original piece or something canned?

    Recording of original piece for a shoe string gallery.

  • @hypnopad said:

    @Philandering_Bastard said:
    Depends on the venue and type of installation. Recording or live? Shoe-string private gallery? Well funded public museum?

    Edit: Original piece or something canned?

    Recording of original piece for a shoe string gallery.

    For friends I’d do it for free. Otherwise treat it as a job and bill the hourly rate it’ll take you to produce the piece.

  • Oh, and make sure to retain the rights.

  • @hypnopad said:
    Just got an offer for a 10 minute piece for an art exhibit. I have no clue what to charge. Anybody here have any experience with this sort of thing?

    If there isn’t much budget, try Wotja for creating a background ambience ... keep clicking to generate random ambient loops until you get one that fits.

  • @craftycurate said:

    @hypnopad said:
    Just got an offer for a 10 minute piece for an art exhibit. I have no clue what to charge. Anybody here have any experience with this sort of thing?

    If there isn’t much budget, try Wotja for creating a background ambience ... keep clicking to generate random ambient loops until you get one that fits.

    Good suggestion. It’s an app I’ve had for a long time but never explored. Heard it it’s very powerful but bit of a head scratcher at first. I look at this as a pleasurable change of workflow since I mostly try to play everything live.

  • McDMcD
    edited October 2020

    Yes. Proposing an hourly rate with a not to exceed is wise as an opening gambit.
    You can send them periodic releases stating that here it is without "mastering"
    just to see if I'm on the right track and disclose hour so far. If there's a complaint
    or concern they will likely reply. This is just fine... you can stop. At which point you have tested
    their limits and decide if you want to master for free because "you have standards" and
    then produce a final version that you love too. You can keep sending them versions and
    they would realize you're going above and beyond for art.

    Try to spend enough hours before the first release to make your minimum and if that's too high
    then you can ask them what they are willing to pay for the work done so far and still proceed
    with extra labor but you found their ceiling with a professional approach.

    I got someone to commit to twice what I expected and told them I wanted to donate the extra 50% back to the organization but would like a receipt for the donation for my taxes.
    It made the whole effort tax neutral which is a win for some with that declares self-employed income. They never audit these side jobs unless you really stand out
    as living high on the hog and are swimming in cash.

    Trump's businesses don't really loose massive amounts of money I bet... he just claims they do for the tax savings. His books are the crime.

  • That’s quite a smart strategy @McD , I do a fair amount of fine art work and pretty much always end up charging almost exactly half my usual rates due to their budget constraints. I mostly don’t mind as they tend to be a better class of client than commercial ones, from the slightly more open and interesting brief, to the appreciation of the skills and insights you’re bringing as an expert. I’ll look into the donation thing for the UK though, I never thought of that...

  • @Krupa said:
    That’s quite a smart strategy @McD

    It a way of establishing a ceiling without ask them to just tell you and it also comes across
    as highly professional since it shows that art is created as a process with levels of refinement.

    "Mastering" can be a result of the Bark Filter secret for the final mix. They will hear the extra effort and
    you can explain that mastering takes as much time as the improvisation. It's like film editing.
    It makes the rough cut perfect and is an art in itself. If all this seems like a con it's because you've
    educated yourself at the ABF academy and invested time to have these skills with Music Production.
    That time is all sunk costs you deserve to recoup if at all possible. As we know... it's rarely possible
    but for a lucky few. Even a terrible plumber gets paid. Some of the best musicians never make a penny.
    Not that are owed anything but if they ask what your charge... try to maximize your benefit for the
    effort expended to be the one they ask.

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