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Should I buy a new iPad (8th gen) or new Mini (5th gen)?
I'm in the market for a new iPad. I have never used or even seen in person a Mini before. What's the general consensus on choosing between the two? Is the screen considered a bit too small for music? Or do people find it to be the right fit size-wise?
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Wait until next week Tuesday...
...rumors say a 8.5" iPad Mini will drop.
I'm also looking at the 128GB 8th Gen iPad at the moment.
Oh ok will do. Costco has the Mini for $349, which is why it came across my radar. Was just going to buy the regular iPad but then I was like, hmmm the Mini is only $30 more (iPad regular at Costco is $319).
8.5 mini? Is it really mini then?
Anyways, regardless of the 8.5" rumors, do people on here generally find the Mini cramped? I'm out of the loop on iPad stuff.
I don't have a mini but it's just as powerful as an Air 3. Many people use their phones, so I don't think the mini would be too small. I'd recommend a 256gb model though.
I'm currently on a 9.7" iPad Air 2 and the iPad 8 is 10.2" but does not feel that much bigger.
The new Air 4 is 10.9".
I'd say it depends I would love a 16" iPad but it would be way out of budget...
Many people make music on iPhone. So screen size is a personal thing.
But... Isn't the New Air a no-brainer... ?
I have both a Mini 5 and an ipad pro 10.5 (2017). The mini seems just as powerful, but if I was only going to have one ipad, personally I would get a larger one. The Mini is perfect size for reading kindle books. It works for music stuff, but feels a little cramped compared to my 10.5" ipad. I would also opt for more storage than the base 64GB, I know it raises the price, but I hate the feeling of filling storage up.
get the A14 will last many years
New Air for sure. Only limited by space on base model.
So, is the Ipad 8 still worth buying? It’s within my price range and has a headphone jack. I’m currently using an Ipad air first gen. Will I be able to run in AUM a model 15, zeeon/model d, patterning 2( or 3/4 noir ) animoog, Drambo, maybe 3/4!of synthmaster/ripplemaker/sunrizer, with each channel loaded with fxs (filters, compressor, reverb...) + multiple sequencers and midi generators?
I’m using a 6th gen base iPad and can do that. So, my answer is yes. Get the 8th gen. 128 GB recommended.
I'm still holding on with eventual purchases at least until WWDC'21 is over...
...I'm interested in seeing where iPadOS15 takes the new M1 based iPadPro's and if there will be any 'OS feature separation' between the 'regular' non-pro iPads and the iPad Pro's.
The price difference between the 256GB iPad Air 4 and 128GB 11" iPadPro could be motivated if the M1 based iPadPro gets iPadOS features that will not be present on the Air 4 the decision will be quite easy...
I've got no rush to get a new iPad at the moment...
The air 4 has a cut down version of the “M1”. There shouldn’t be much that you can do on an iPad Pro that an air 4 can’t do.
Apple have done a tremendous job on the marketing and the M1 is undoubtedly a different SoC than it would have been if they never intended putting it in a Mac.
But M1 is to the A14 what the A12Z is to the A12.
It’s possible that I’m wrong and Apple will fork the iPad line making a weird middle ground between iPadOS14 and macos. But I don’t see them doing that.
Stranger things have happened though :-)
While that is true Apple has identifiers wether it's a 'Pro' iPad or a 'Regular' iPad...
...thus iPadOS can enable/disable features based on the iPad model it's running on.
It's that bit I'm interested in...
(And what they will do with the extra RAM? Will there be less 'limitations' for AUv3 extensions etc.).
Waiting till WWDC is wise if it’s not urgent to pick something up now. I’ve been iPad-less for months now and it’s fine, doesn’t make sense to jump the gun on something until the software side of the house is revealed a bit as you say
I’d say so, i had a Air Gen 3, which has the A12 and 3gb RAM, I believe the new iPad 8 has the same specs.
I could happily run 7+ zeeons, patterning, Ruismaker noir and fm, Sunrizer, gadget (with 25 or so synths) and numerous plugins on most tracks in aum. You might be pushing it hard adding model d or Animoog into this scenario, but that depends on how much is playing concurrently.
I had upgraded from an Air 2 (2014) and the difference was astonishing, so if you’re coming from the air 1 and the 8th gen is in your budget, I think you’ll be more than happy but you should definitely get the 128GB model.
I have just got an Air 4, for comparison, the track using the instruments mentioned above hovered dangerously close to 100% on the Air 3.. it swung between 80 and 99%. On the Air 4, it’s between 50 and 70%.
However, if you were tempted with the Air 4, remember it’s USB-C. No headphone out.
If you have a lightning camera adapter for USB Midi / Audio, you’ll have to start again and get a good USB-C hub, a headphone adapter, maybe some USB-C extension cables etc... so that’s more expense.
Typical apple, they put their product pricing bands just close enough together to make you consider the next level up. Sure I was a bit annoyed they announced the new m1 pro just after I got my new air, but you’ve got to draw the line somewhere, it’s just that little bit too expensive at this time for me.
That’s great to hear everyone. The price of the apps 128 gb model is 430$. That’s the one I’m considering.
The correct answer here is one of each.
True but why would they do that? They don’t traditionally do that kind of thing. When they have a feature for new hardware, for example when portrait mode was first introduced, it was launched with the product not later. From a marketing perspective new features unique to the new model go straight into the keynote.
Having said that perhaps by naming the SoC in the new pros “M1” they’ve opened the door for that. But I can’t see a reason they’d artificially leave out the Air given it has an M¾ ;-)
The A14 even has unified memory. It’s 64bit rather than the 128bit in the M1 in Macs but the M1 has a lot more GPU cores that can use the bandwidth.
Theoretically the new Pros are as much of a leap over the iPad Air 4 as the old pros were over the Air 3.
Anyway. Anything is possible but there really isn’t anything obvious in the M1 that would make iPad Pro specific Os features likely. But I’m just guessing too. :-)
More Ram will come in handy for sure but the number of iPads they’ll sell with 16G will be relatively tiny.
It’s definitely interesting to see why they’ve added so much ram when the iPad has been maxing out at 6 for so long.
Perhaps it is part of a video (Final Cut?) or AR thing that’s coming down the line.
In any case. The M1 (and A14 in the air 4) are impressive chips.
Hopefully iOS/iPadOS 15 will unleash more of that power.
I have a fifth generation iPad mini that I use for all my music production. There are only a few apps where the smaller size is really a pain point. ( Cyclop and Thesys are the most trouble for me, but I also hear complaints from full size iPad users about those.) Since I've never owned a full size iPad, I don't know what I'm missing, but I honestly don't feel like it would make a huge difference for me. I'm happy with the mini and am constantly amazed at how many awesome synths and effects are available in such a portable package. I've composed in hospital waiting rooms, shopping mall parking lots, kicking back on my couch, pretty much anywhere. Your mileage may vary, but I have no problem recommending a mini.
According to an interview with Joswiak and Ternus from Apple, the reason they put the M1 in the iPad Pro is that they've always put the best Apple silicon in the iPad Pro. The response was in the context of being asked if the Mac and iPad were going to merge. Their response was a pretty clear no. They refused to comment on the future of any sort of Apple applications coming, but said instead that developers would find ways to use the extended resources of the new Pro (referring to 3rd party devs).
They have used the Pro to get new tech into the hands of devs in the past, so using it to push Thunderbolt and the XDR display is consistent with that. It doesn't sound to me like they intend on fracturing the iPad ecosystem but more likely that these new features will filter down through the range over the next couple of years.
I went from iPad Mini 2 (16GB?) to iPad 8 128GB - for music apps I’m very happy with the larger screen.
New is always better !
What’s interesting is that their best chip is now in an iPad, Mac mini, MacBook Air, MacBook Pro and iMac.
And they were always going to put the M1 into the iPads pro. The question was what they’d call it, whether “M” was for Mac exclusively or the new name for the “X”/“Z” level SoCs.
What is merging is the technology behind them. iPad are touch first devices any will be for the short term future at least. But behind the scenes Apple have made a system that applies to a whole range of products. From the ground up. So they have shared compiler tech. Shared development app tech. Shared OS tech. It’s only the layer of UI and enclosure that basically changes.
An iPad Pro is basically the same computer now as an iMac. That’s nuts. Also very different from the Intel way where every device needs a different chip with various limitations and artificial restrictions to keep the high end chips more expensive.
Yes that’s what they’ve always done. Get the tech out early. We still don’t know what Apple have planned for LIDAR. And with air tags we finally have a use for the U1 chip.
People here have been worrying about compatibility now that iPads have Mac chips. But the opposite is actually the case. Macs now run on iPad chips.
The ‘what should I buy’ questions on Mac at least are getting really easy. No matter which M1 Mac you buy you’re getting (close enough) the same performance.
I like this. There are so many different Intel chips it gets very confusing; last time I bought a Mac there were different processors in each model with further BTO options to upgrade the processor all with seemingly diminishing returns on investment.
It’s so much more elegant to have one processor for each class of product and choose based on which form factor you want that processor in.
So we now have two levels of processor;
A14 for phones and some iPads and M1 for Macs. When the next round of Macs come out I’d bet they all have the same M1X or M1 Pro chip in them. And older chips go into the cheaper models.
I’m curious as to what will go in the Mac Pro. Maybe it’ll be the same M class chip but with extra GPU?
Whatever Apple do, interesting times are ahead for iOS and Mac users.
Jumping back in. Found a good as new air 3 256 gb for 385$. Would such a deal be better than a new 8th gen 128 gb for 430$? As far as I could tell, they share mostly the same specs. Looking forward to hear your 2cents 😊.
As we know the life is short.
I will give you right support.
Do like me - buy biggest one!
12 and 9 is the best plan
I know that these are not cheap toys, but we leaves this world soon... let's give ourselves a bit of pleasure. My next one will be 12.9" for sure. 10.5" is already too little. Cheers
Screen size is very important, especially for some apps that have a lot of options on one screen, however you have to balance that with where you plan to use the device the most. If you’re going to use it at home, most of the time, go bigger, if you’re looking for more mobility in your set up maybe a mini is better. But in general screen space is at a premium in iOS music making.