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Squarp Pyramid - Powering from the iPad

Just got me a 2nd hand Pyramid. LOVE it.

I'd read somewhere that the Pyramid can be powered by the iPad when using the CCK adapter with lightning power. So: power into the CCK, USB from the CCK to the Pyramid.

This "works" but the Pyramid randomly reboots every 5-10 minutes or so. :(

If introduce a powered USB hub into the mix, all works as expected. I'd rather not though.

Wondering if the non-hub scenario works for other Pyramid users? The Pyramid I picked up is from their initial run (the one with the built in accelerometer) so I'm curious if this problem is limited to this model, if I got a dud or if this is just the way it works with the Pyramid/iPad. This is with an iPad 7 fwiw.

Cheers.

Comments

  • Hey Will, congrats on acquiring the Pyramid.

    I’ve not used a wired connection to the iPad for a while, but I’ll give it a run tomorrow and report back.

    I think you saw this previously, my battery powered Pyramid with BT MIDI. Cool for noodling, but clock can be a little glitchy over BT.

  • @SpookyZoo said:
    Hey Will, congrats on acquiring the Pyramid.

    I’ve not used a wired connection to the iPad for a while, but I’ll give it a run tomorrow and report back.

    I think you saw this previously, my battery powered Pyramid with BT MIDI. Cool for noodling, but clock can be a little glitchy over BT.

    Cheers, Stuart. Yep, I remember that lovely little setup. Currently wondering if the little USB Y adapter that comes with some Arturia gear (like the Beatsteps) to split power and MIDI would also work with the Pyramid. Afraid to try it though! Will research some more.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2020

    Does the power adapter have enough milliwatts? I have a few that don’t deliver much power.

  • @wim said:
    Does the power adapter have enough milliwatts? I have a few that don’t deliver much power.

    Well, there is no power adapter — just a USB cable. Works fine if you plug it directly into any old USB power dongle. Just doesn't seem to work consistently if the power comes from a plugged in CCK.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:
    Does the power adapter have enough milliwatts? I have a few that don’t deliver much power.

    Well, there is no power adapter — just a USB cable. Works fine if you plug it directly into any old USB power dongle. Just doesn't seem to work consistently if the power comes from a plugged in CCK.

    Oh. Maybe you mean the power adapter for the ipad? Like, perhaps I need to make sure it's using an iPad power adapter vs an iphone adapter? I'm not 100% that I was using the standard iPad adapter when I tried this. Will definitely give that a shot.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:
    Does the power adapter have enough milliwatts? I have a few that don’t deliver much power.

    Well, there is no power adapter — just a USB cable. Works fine if you plug it directly into any old USB power dongle. Just doesn't seem to work consistently if the power comes from a plugged in CCK.

    Oh. Maybe you mean the power adapter for the ipad? Like, perhaps I need to make sure it's using an iPad power adapter vs an iphone adapter? I'm not 100% that I was using the standard iPad adapter when I tried this. Will definitely give that a shot.

    Yes, that's what I meant. I have a few iPhone power supplies that only deliver like 1000 mW.

  • @syrupcore Try to change the lightning cable. They sometimes cause troubles, especially when you need power and data transfer at the same time. I like the idea behind the Lightning connection but the old 30pin connectors were more reliable.

  • @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:
    Does the power adapter have enough milliwatts? I have a few that don’t deliver much power.

    Well, there is no power adapter — just a USB cable. Works fine if you plug it directly into any old USB power dongle. Just doesn't seem to work consistently if the power comes from a plugged in CCK.

    Oh. Maybe you mean the power adapter for the ipad? Like, perhaps I need to make sure it's using an iPad power adapter vs an iphone adapter? I'm not 100% that I was using the standard iPad adapter when I tried this. Will definitely give that a shot.

    Yes, that's what I meant. I have a few iPhone power supplies that only deliver like 1000 mW.

    Survey says... Ding ding ding! Looks like this was the ticket. With the default iPad brick I had zero power outs on the Pyramid over about an hour of usage. When I then tested it with the default iPhone mini-brick I realized I could get the pyramid to reboot reliably by hitting 2nd and Load/Save. Over and over again.

    Thank you, Mr. Wim!

  • edited October 2020

    @syrupcore :smile: Thinking of getting an Arturia Keystep Pro as well as possibly a Squarp. I wonder if it would be overkill though.

  • wimwim
    edited October 2020

    @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:
    Does the power adapter have enough milliwatts? I have a few that don’t deliver much power.

    Well, there is no power adapter — just a USB cable. Works fine if you plug it directly into any old USB power dongle. Just doesn't seem to work consistently if the power comes from a plugged in CCK.

    Oh. Maybe you mean the power adapter for the ipad? Like, perhaps I need to make sure it's using an iPad power adapter vs an iphone adapter? I'm not 100% that I was using the standard iPad adapter when I tried this. Will definitely give that a shot.

    Yes, that's what I meant. I have a few iPhone power supplies that only deliver like 1000 mW.

    Survey says... Ding ding ding! Looks like this was the ticket. With the default iPad brick I had zero power outs on the Pyramid over about an hour of usage. When I then tested it with the default iPhone mini-brick I realized I could get the pyramid to reboot reliably by hitting 2nd and Load/Save. Over and over again.

    Thank you, Mr. Wim!

    Funny - I was just watching a video less than an hour before about making midi controllers using Teensy, and there was a bit about making sure you use a USB charger with more than 1000 mW. That's what made me think of it.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @wim said:
    Does the power adapter have enough milliwatts? I have a few that don’t deliver much power.

    Well, there is no power adapter — just a USB cable. Works fine if you plug it directly into any old USB power dongle. Just doesn't seem to work consistently if the power comes from a plugged in CCK.

    Oh. Maybe you mean the power adapter for the ipad? Like, perhaps I need to make sure it's using an iPad power adapter vs an iphone adapter? I'm not 100% that I was using the standard iPad adapter when I tried this. Will definitely give that a shot.

    Yes, that's what I meant. I have a few iPhone power supplies that only deliver like 1000 mW.

    Survey says... Ding ding ding! Looks like this was the ticket. With the default iPad brick I had zero power outs on the Pyramid over about an hour of usage. When I then tested it with the default iPhone mini-brick I realized I could get the pyramid to reboot reliably by hitting 2nd and Load/Save. Over and over again.

    Thank you, Mr. Wim!

    Ah cool. I was just about to ask how you were getting on.

    I forgot to bookmark the thread so wasn't getting notifications. Did some testing (with no issues) and it was a nice reminder of how fun the Pyramid & iPad can be. This time round it was sequencing 4 Continuas in AUM.

    Cheers for the prompt. Hope you're enjoying yours.

  • Considering this squarp pyramid to sequnce ios synths within aum. Thinking a hardware sequencer would really help my ios workflow. How has it been working out for everyone?

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