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Amp sim set up help
Hi Everyone
I am a bit new to the amp sim world and still learning and wondered if someone who uses GR Labs, Bias or TH-U help me with ipad setup....
I noticed most videos with their ipad setup are using Audiobus or A u m and using a lot of plugins. Is this the best way to use these apps and what are you using for cabs ? is it a ir loader added, iam a little lost on this as I have only really used the apps as standalone and I know I could get better tone than the stock.
Any help is appreciated thanks.
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@Richiez1970 A Ir is a sonic imprint of the guitar cabinet and mic used. All the software you mentioned have their own built in. You do not need to worry about that at the beginning . Only when you are comfortable should you start looking in replacing the Ir.
TH-u is the only one of the 3 that is a Auv3 and can be used as a Auv3 plugin. It can be used in any DAW or host that can load auv3(Auria, Cubasis, BeatMaker 3, zenbeat, Garage band, AUM and Audiobus)
The other 2 are IAA (inter app audio) I hope I not mistaken because I don’t use them. This is a old format of plugin that is on the way out. Some people still love it.
These videos may help you understand the world of Ir. Thanks to Dave for making them 😎👍
Thank you these are very helpful
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@Richiez1970 Welcome to the wonderful world of amp sims. Earlier this year, I was exactly where you seem to be. I knew very little about iPad music making and even less about amp modeling, but I was determined to see how far I could get with it. I’m at the point now where I use amp sims almost exclusively, and I’m endlessly amazed at how great they can sound.
Had I known then what I know now I would have spent a lot less money along the way so I’ll try to advise you from the perspective of starting out on a meager budget and gradually investing where it makes the most sense to you based on your personal experience.
First, you didn’t mention what you’re using for an interface between the guitar and the iPad. Do you have one and is it working okay? As far as apps go, you can get your feet very wet with these:
Overloud TH-U https://apps.apple.com/us/app/overloud-thu/id1478394489 Download the free version and I bet you’ll be smitten. For many of us here, TH-U is a favorite and the free version will give you a good taste of what’s possible. Note that if you decide to go deeper with Overloud it can get expensive, though far less than buying a real amp.
Nembrini Crunk v2 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/crunck-v2/id1493297046 Like Overloud, Nembrini is one of the very best amp sim and effects developers and the Crunk model is 100% free. He also offers some free effects that you might want to check out. Many of us use amps from both of these developers, perhaps best exemplified by @flo26 on this forum whose demos are invaluable and inspiring.
Gain Stage Vintage Clean https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gain-stage-vintage-clean/id1508081069 A totally unique approach to amp modeling that yields beautiful results. Its simple interface and limited options make it a great choice for someone venturing into this realm and though its not quite free, it costs no more than a trip to Starbucks.
GE Labs https://apps.apple.com/us/app/gelabs-infinite-tone-lab/id1506701208 Every amp and pedal, tons of them, are delivered to you for free. You just can’t save anything without paying something for the privilege but you could easily get lost in this app for days. As was said further up to thread, apps that conform to the AUv3 spec are more interoperable and GE Labs isn’t there yet but it’s still worth exploring.
Soon you’ll need to consider a host application where you can do recording or bolt different apps together. AUM is very popular with folks here (and me). Lately, I’ve been spending most of my time in Roland Zenbeats which is a full featured environment for music creation. The free version is very capable and perhaps worth trying out.
Finally, getting from where you are now to where you might want to be involves traveling up the learning curve. At times, it’s confusing as hell and you may feel moments of great frustration. But as one old dog who’s learned a lot of new tricks I can tell you that it’s totally worth the effort. And the people on this very forum are among the most knowledgeable and generous you’ll find anywhere.
Good luck and I hope to see you around.
Awesome overview... should be included text or linked to here in the Wiki.
The Big dogs of the past are Amplitube, Bias FX, Tone Stack and ToneBridge (free). All are
IAA which means single instance which for most guitar purposes is fine really.
But AUv3 means you can also use the product for it's FX tools with synths and in DAWs.
Many of the FX in these apps are impressive.
It's also worth considering MIDI Guitar with all the IAP's features to use a guitar as a
MIDI controller. You can bend the strings and make a Moog synth whine in perfect alignment. Mix natural and amp sim'ed guitars with synths pad chords. Truly amazing.
The audience will think you have a keyboard player hidden backstage or some great backing tracks.
to clarify, those IAA amp sims can also be use to add fx in DAWs...that isn’t particular to AUv3....but you only get one instance and don’t have state saving (unless they implement Audiobus state saving and you are using Audiobus).
True but only on a single bus. AUv3 provides so much more capability to drop multiple FX
and in most cases a better UI experience. So, these new AUv3 capable products are very welcome to fold into our DAW workflows seamlessly. I'm hopeful ThumbJam will drop as an AUv3 or a new packaging that supports AUv3 like "FingerJammin'".
I agree that AUv3 are more flexible and useful in this regard. But what was written gave the impression that IAA apps can’t be used as FX which isn’t the case...even though I have tons of AU, I occasionally use some of the ToneStack pedals on synths and other tracks.
Thank you for your reply and all this information.... i will definitely look into it all.... I am currently using a Zoom uac-2 interface which I believe to be very good for the money, its not very easy to make mobile but it does the job very nicely... I have been using Bias FX2 for nearly a year standalone on pc and ipad and although it does sound pretty good my tone has just been missing something... I am a pretty quick learner and got Aum last night been playing with it for a few hours and wow Nembrini 8180 and cali reverb are just amazing compared to Bias, so i will learning on how to create my own patches in aum as I feel this is definitely the way to go.
I think you will find that if you purchase some IRs (Ownhammer's (r)Evolution contains a great assortment ) and something like THAFKNAR to load them that you will take the Nembrini sims to the next level (turn their cabs off). This is true of all the amp sims so far.