Upcoming wavetable oscillator and processors IAP for Drambo

DarkAum3o

@rs2000 said:

@DarkAum3o said:

@Strizbiz said:
Serum is one of my go to synths, definitely money well spent imo, if It ever came to iOS it would be an insta buy, I’m looking forward to the Drambo iap 👍🏽

Sadly I don’t think serum will find it way to iOS🥺😢, but with this update we can maybe build a little serum ☺️
I mean there is a lot in serum like the modulation possibilities wich are a bit harder to build, but there is also this beast coming from Kirnu interactive which should be awesome —>

The choice of synths is getting better and better. If you skip the wavetable editor, building a synth that sounds similar to Serum is certainly possible soon. The question is if anyone would take the time to do it.
A developer could even write a preset translator to convert Serum presets automatically... but again, it's a matter of time.

But I want it now😈😂😝🤣
Ok...joke...I’m patient...or not😉

DarkAum3o

@horsetrainer said:
Wavetable terminology has me confused.

@rs2000 said "make sure your waveforms are exactly 2048 samples long"

What are the definition of "waveform" and "sample" in this context?
(I think of a "sample" as one independent audio segment/file of variable length, and "waveform" as one oscillation of a wave)

Does the new Drambo wavetable module have built in wavetable creation/editing tools of any kind?
Or must all "user created" wavetables for use in the Drambo wavetable module require importing files structured according to some particular types of file format? If so what are the compatible file formats?

Are there any reasonably easy to use iPadOS tools available for creating and editing wavetables, that can export a file in a format that can be imported into the Drambo wavetable module?

I can imagine that some type of morphing algorithm would be really handy for quickly designing wavetables.
eg... A wavetable creation interface that consists of a timeline of the required length. The user clicks on a start point, an edit window appears. The used can either draw a waveform in the window, OR choose an audio file that can be scrolled and zoomed into and a waveform oscillation selected from the audio file... editor saves only the selected waveform from the file once selected. A library of waveforms are available from within the editor window... the user can drag and drop a waveform onto the window from the library.

Clicking on the timeline adds additional waveform entry points. New edit window appears at each edit point. User can add as many or as few points as desired. Waveforms can be auditioned during entry.

Once completed, a render function fills the entire timeline by use of a merge algorithm between edit points.

Timelines can be re-opened, re-edited, and re-rendered.

The developer said in the fb drambo page:

Gravitas

@horsetrainer said:

I can imagine that some type of morphing algorithm would be really handy for quickly designing wavetables.
eg... A wavetable creation interface that consists of a timeline of the required length. The user clicks on a start point, an edit window appears. The used can either draw a waveform in the window, OR choose an audio file that can be scrolled and zoomed into and a waveform oscillation selected from the audio file... editor saves only the selected waveform from the file once selected. A library of waveforms are available from within the editor window... the user can drag and drop a waveform onto the window from the library.

I came across this when I started looking at wavetables.

http://scw.sheetsofsound.com/editor.html

It focuses on single cycle waveforms.
It seems quite intuitive.

What do you think?

rs2000

@wim said:
Interconnect multiple USB MIDI devices and work with them all from a single Bluetooth MIDI connection from iOS. That's all I'm saying for now.

Now that sounds cool. I only know that my old Raspberry Pi doesn't want to end up in the trash and it has two unused USB ports.

rs2000

@horsetrainer Short answers: No iOS wavetable editor but any app that can show the precise selection length in samples/frames will do. My choice would be Nanostudio 2 because it has a wave editor that is perfectly suited to find seamless loops, it can select to a precise number of samples and it can save the current selection to a new file.
Creating wavetables is an art for itself though. Building a single-cycle waveform with 2048 samples length is no problem but finding the right source material and cut points to build a musically useful wavetable needs a lot of experience and experimentation.
I highly recommend to start with the hundreds of freely available Serum compatible wavetables and get a feeling for how they work and which ones are worth building upon.

DarkAum3o

@rs2000 said:
@horsetrainer Short answers: No iOS wavetable editor but any app that can show the precise selection length in samples/frames will do. My choice would be Nanostudio 2 because it has a wave editor that is perfectly suited to find seamless loops, it can select to a precise number of samples and it can save the current selection to a new file.
Creating wavetables is an art for itself though. Building a single-cycle waveform with 2048 samples length is no problem but finding the right source material and cut points to build a musically useful wavetable needs a lot of experience and experimentation.
I highly recommend to start with the hundreds of freely available Serum compatible wavetables and get a feeling for how they work and which ones are worth building upon.

NS has a wavetable editor??😱

echoopera

The best iOS app just keeps getting better

itsaghost

wavetables in drambo is literally the most exciting news ive heard in a long time holy cow. i was actually working on a wavetable type synth in drambo just a few days ago using the N-1 and x-faded between 3 flexi samplers all with different waveforms being looped in them. it’s definitely was rough and didn’t have quite the sound i wanted so having a wavetable module in drambo is literally a game changer lol

horsetrainer

@Gravitas said:

@horsetrainer said:

I can imagine that some type of morphing algorithm would be really handy for quickly designing wavetables.
eg... A wavetable creation interface that consists of a timeline of the required length. The user clicks on a start point, an edit window appears. The used can either draw a waveform in the window, OR choose an audio file that can be scrolled and zoomed into and a waveform oscillation selected from the audio file... editor saves only the selected waveform from the file once selected. A library of waveforms are available from within the editor window... the user can drag and drop a waveform onto the window from the library.

I came across this when I started looking at wavetables.

http://scw.sheetsofsound.com/editor.html

It focuses on single cycle waveforms.
It seems quite intuitive.

What do you think?

@rs2000 said:
@horsetrainer Short answers: No iOS wavetable editor but any app that can show the precise selection length in samples/frames will do. My choice would be Nanostudio 2 because it has a wave editor that is perfectly suited to find seamless loops, it can select to a precise number of samples and it can save the current selection to a new file.
Creating wavetables is an art for itself though. Building a single-cycle waveform with 2048 samples length is no problem but finding the right source material and cut points to build a musically useful wavetable needs a lot of experience and experimentation.
I highly recommend to start with the hundreds of freely available Serum compatible wavetables and get a feeling for how they work and which ones are worth building upon.

Thanks guys.

I was confused by the use of the term "sample" in a wavetable context.

Now I understand that 2048 refers to the "sample resolution" that any single waveform cycle/oscillation is required to contain @ given frequency.

Is the Drambo Wavetable module capable of "morphing" between waveforms? OR does one need to enter entire sets of waveforms that the Wavetable module will then cycle through?

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rs2000

@horsetrainer said:
I was confused by the use of the term "sample" in a wavetable context.

Indeed, "sample" is used as a synonym both for an audio file and an actual singular voltage level measured at a certain point in time, so to say. Not only in WT synthesis.

Now I understand that 2048 refers to the "sample resolution" that any single waveform cycle/oscillation is required to contain @ given frequency.

Yes, or in other words: An audio file that contains 2048 voltage snapshots at consecutive time positions.
Man, I never thought about these potential stumbling blocks.

Is the Drambo Wavetable module capable of "morphing" between waveforms? OR does one need to enter entire sets of waveforms that the Wavetable module will then cycle through?

I think you mean hard of smooth transitions between the naturally more or less "steppy" waveform changes within one wavetable?
If so then yes, that's what the "X-Fade" switch is for, much like in the 1-n and N-1 switches but for the whole waveform.
It will crossfade every transition between two consecutive "frames" (each of 2048 samples length), which is a usual term in WT synthesis.

rs2000

@DarkAum3o said:

@rs2000 said:
@horsetrainer Short answers: No iOS wavetable editor but any app that can show the precise selection length in samples/frames will do. My choice would be Nanostudio 2 because it has a wave editor that is perfectly suited to find seamless loops, it can select to a precise number of samples and it can save the current selection to a new file.
Creating wavetables is an art for itself though. Building a single-cycle waveform with 2048 samples length is no problem but finding the right source material and cut points to build a musically useful wavetable needs a lot of experience and experimentation.
I highly recommend to start with the hundreds of freely available Serum compatible wavetables and get a feeling for how they work and which ones are worth building upon.

NS has a wavetable editor??😱

Funny isn't it? I wouldn't call it a WT editor but after trying TwistedWave and Auditor and missing these essential features, I ended up using NS2 and since it can record audio inside the app, it's a relatively fast workflow.

rs2000

@itsaghost said:
wavetables in drambo is literally the most exciting news ive heard in a long time holy cow. i was actually working on a wavetable type synth in drambo just a few days ago using the N-1 and x-faded between 3 flexi samplers all with different waveforms being looped in them. it’s definitely was rough and didn’t have quite the sound i wanted so having a wavetable module in drambo is literally a game changer lol

Great idea! I've done similar experiments before WT times except that I've found a more straightforward way of emulating any oscillator waveform in a clean way:

Make sure you disable "anti aliasing" in the oscillator!
A while back, I've started to write a "WAV to Graphic Shaper curve converter" together with @MrBlaschke but the day this WT module was announced, I dropped the project. There is another potential use for such a converter but I can't do everything at the same time... bummer... 😁

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rs2000

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Batman is here.

😃
And you can do it today.

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onerez

@giku_beepstreet said:
Sinewave on input, the rest are modulated Wave effect modules.

Wow this just blew me away I just might have to pay somebody 100 or $200 to teach me Drambo !!Man this is awesome I mean this is what I was hoping for!!!!

reasOne

will there be some good presets with this? i like presets, i’m that guy 🤣

rs2000

@reasOne said:
will there be some good presets with this? i like presets, i’m that guy 🤣

A good choice of factory wavetables will be included and I already know two guys working on presets using the wavetable module and effects.

reasOne

@rs2000 said:

@reasOne said:
will there be some good presets with this? i like presets, i’m that guy 🤣

A good choice of factory wavetables will be included and I already know two guys working on presets using the wavetable module and effects.

sweeeeet!!! that’s good news

horsetrainer

@rs2000 said:

@horsetrainer said:
I was confused by the use of the term "sample" in a wavetable context.

Indeed, "sample" is used as a synonym both for an audio file and an actual singular voltage level measured at a certain point in time, so to say. Not only in WT synthesis.

Now I understand that 2048 refers to the "sample resolution" that any single waveform cycle/oscillation is required to contain @ given frequency.

Yes, or in other words: An audio file that contains 2048 voltage snapshots at consecutive time positions.
Man, I never thought about these potential stumbling blocks.

Is the Drambo Wavetable module capable of "morphing" between waveforms? OR does one need to enter entire sets of waveforms that the Wavetable module will then cycle through?

I think you mean hard of smooth transitions between the naturally more or less "steppy" waveform changes within one wavetable?
If so then yes, that's what the "X-Fade" switch is for, much like in the 1-n and N-1 switches but for the whole waveform.
It will crossfade every transition between two consecutive "frames" (each of 2048 samples length), which is a usual term in WT synthesis.

Thanks for helping me understand the wavetable vernacular.
Looking forward to this being released.

Same thing with horses. Horse's have cannons and docks, but they have nothing to with anything nautical.

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espiegel123

@horsetrainer said:

@rs2000 said:

@horsetrainer said:
I was confused by the use of the term "sample" in a wavetable context.

Indeed, "sample" is used as a synonym both for an audio file and an actual singular voltage level measured at a certain point in time, so to say. Not only in WT synthesis.

Now I understand that 2048 refers to the "sample resolution" that any single waveform cycle/oscillation is required to contain @ given frequency.

Yes, or in other words: An audio file that contains 2048 voltage snapshots at consecutive time positions.
Man, I never thought about these potential stumbling blocks.

Is the Drambo Wavetable module capable of "morphing" between waveforms? OR does one need to enter entire sets of waveforms that the Wavetable module will then cycle through?

I think you mean hard of smooth transitions between the naturally more or less "steppy" waveform changes within one wavetable?
If so then yes, that's what the "X-Fade" switch is for, much like in the 1-n and N-1 switches but for the whole waveform.
It will crossfade every transition between two consecutive "frames" (each of 2048 samples length), which is a usual term in WT synthesis.

Thanks for helping me understand the wavetable vernacular.
Looking forward to this being released.

Same thing with horses. Horse's have cannons and docks, but they have nothing to with anything nautical.

Btw, this is not vernacular specifications wavetables. Samples is the correct technical name for the individual numbers that provide the sound data in an audio file (or any audio buffer). When you here sample rate, those are the samples being talked about. They represent the amplitude of the audio signal at the moment it is ‘sampled’ by an analog to digital converter. When you collect those numbers I’m sequence, you have a representation of the audio. To play the audio back, those measurements (the sampled stream of numbers) are sent back out to a digital to analog converter that turns them back into an analog signal (that an amplifier and speakers turn into sound).

The other use of sample (an audio recording) is nothing more than a reference to recordings being made by that process of converting an analog signal to a collection of numbers and storing them as sounds.

It was a convenient way when sampling devices came into being to refer to the fruits of the process of sampling audio to digitize it.

itsaghost

@rs2000 said:

@itsaghost said:
wavetables in drambo is literally the most exciting news ive heard in a long time holy cow. i was actually working on a wavetable type synth in drambo just a few days ago using the N-1 and x-faded between 3 flexi samplers all with different waveforms being looped in them. it’s definitely was rough and didn’t have quite the sound i wanted so having a wavetable module in drambo is literally a game changer lol

Great idea! I've done similar experiments before WT times except that I've found a more straightforward way of emulating any oscillator waveform in a clean way:

Make sure you disable "anti aliasing" in the oscillator!
A while back, I've started to write a "WAV to Graphic Shaper curve converter" together with @MrBlaschke but the day this WT module was announced, I dropped the project. There is another potential use for such a converter but I can't do everything at the same time... bummer... 😁

wow that’s awesome! that’s definitely a lot cleaner than playing loops of sampled waveforms lol. i’m definitely going to add it to my wavetable patch, at least until the actual wavetable module is released. and it’ll be helpful for some other synths too. thanks for the tip!

MadGav

@Gravitas said:
Talking about Arturia I've been eyeing up the Arturia Audiofuse
and I'm torn between that and the SSL 2+ interface.

I checked out the SSL 2 (not +) while choosing an audio interface a few weeks back, the only USP vs other interfaces was 4k the question is do you want to record with that? I ended up with a used Evo 4 for 70 quid btw as I have separate MIDI, a comparison video gave a hint that a MOTU M2 didn’t sound quite as nice as the Audient iD4 (nope - needed 2 in), Evo 4 and SSL 2.

Dalle

Very cool! So is there going to be a sine bank additive oscillator with it’s own effects?

Gravitas

@MadGav

Thanks for that.

rs2000

@Dalle said:
Very cool! So is there going to be a sine bank additive oscillator with it’s own effects?

Basically yes, there's a number of sine bank wavetables available 😎