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Gosh @Dzp111, you made your point on this one! Welcome to the forum! We all do that stuff at the start. Follow @Samu’s advice. One of the top few who know almost everything.
Welcome @Dzp111. We now expect you to hang around for at least four or five years, be helpful to all and sundry, and, of course, buy endless apps etc. Carry on.
Glad to see all those supportive hands from other users here!
From what I read the topics is more about the Roland Sound Canvas, no issues with Cubasis itself, correct?
Thanks,
Lars
Lol
I’m grateful for your kindness -thank you all. Unfortunately I’m still struggling even after going through Samu’s steps.
The first app I got was Cubasis and while I enjoyed its ease of use and sounds, I couldn’t control the MIDI instruments’ volumes during playback on the piano.
So then I tried MTS and while I was able to control volumes I found the instrument sounds pretty bad. So I got the Sound Canvas just to learn that it’s not compatible with MTS.
I then went back to Cubasis and suspected that I needed Audiobus to make it work with the SC. I am able to have Cubasis and SC interact on the iPad (without AB) but can’t send it to the piano.
In this pic, channel 4 is audio as per Samu’s instructions, Cubasis and Sc interact but it won’t go to piano.
In this pic, channel 2 is how I can get the tracks’ sound on the piano but like I said there’s no way to control its volume, overpowering my piano’s volume when I play it.
@Dzp111 Are you sure the the Roland piano also supports class compliant audio over USB?
(I can only find that it supports class compliant midi in & out over USB but nothing about audio over USB).
If it plays back the midi from Cubasis it works as expected...
Cheers!
What would that mean for me (if it isn’t compliant audio). What would my limitations be?
@Dzp111, I think you’ll figure out why this isn’t working. If it simply will not, then I guess you will need to pick another DAW that does or abandon SC to stick with Cubasis. Why is SC vital to your workflow? I think there may be other viable choices for good sounding instruments. Or does it supply something more?
Cubasis =ease of use and good sounds, but no volume control
MTS=ease of use, volume control but inferior sounds
SC is somewhat nostalgic for me as written in opening post. But I was hoping for volume control too.
The bottom line for me is MIDI track volume control with half decent sounds. But you’re right, I will figure this out, hopefully without breaking the bank, and with some guidance.
If it doesn't provide class compliant audio over USB you will not be able hear the sounds from the iPad thru the piano speakers when connected only using a USB-Cable.
Your piano does have an audio input jack so if your iPad has a headphone socket you could connect it the the input of the piano, this way you'd hear the iPad thru the piano speakers.
BlueTooth on it is only for Midi In/out.
I wonder why you would even need SoundCanvas as the piano already provides all sounds specified by GM2, GS and XGLite standards? (Meaning it can over midi play 16 parts, with drums on channel 10).
Hope you get it sorted out...
Cheers!
@Dzp111, I hope you will get it to work, but if not it may be a chance for a new opening for you. Black Friday sales coming up, too! It would be fun to make a list of 10 apps to replace it.... I’ll take a shot...
Model D... still free?
PureSynth Platinum
Synthmaster1 still free?
AudiokitSynth1 free!
BASSalicious
NeoSoulKeys
Yonac Synths
Ravenscroft piano
Korg Module LE Free plus Choirs, KApro Orchestra
Iceworks synths
I only use Lumbeats drum apps, but there are a wide array available.
FX are another story, but Cubasis has a good internal selection to start.
I don’t know your musical instrument inclinations. If you describe them you will get a multitude of suggestions!
Now that I didn’t know. Not covered in manual as to how to achieve this. I’ll have to figure that out.
Thanks again.
Sounds are usually selected using program change.
It's a little bit tricky in Cubasis since a Program Change has to be preceded by a Control/Bank change since there are more than 127 sounds...
https://www.roland.com/global/support/by_product/f-140r/owners_manuals/
(This is the page for manual downloads and other documents).
Check the Midi Implementation document (it's very nerdy) but it shows what you can control remotely.
(The tone-list all all the available sounds and drum kits etc. are at the end of the document).
https://static.roland.com/assets/media/pdf/F-140R_RP501R_MIDI_Imple_eng02_W.pdf
You can easily control filter cutoff, resonance, reverb send etc. using standard Midi CC's which is quite easy to edit and automate in Cubasis.
Just hoping we'll some day be able to send SysEX from Cubasis...
...but that is up to @LFS and his team to implement unless it's too 'expensive' like most 'nerdy' features seem to be
You can just for fun select midi-channel 10 as the output and use the Cubasis keyboard to play the sounds (it should play drums).
Good Luck!
I appreciate that list, thanks.
As for my musical instrument inclinations.. I’ve been playing piano for over 40 years -anything from Freddy Fender to Emerson, Lake and Palmer. I was out of the MIDI sequencing loop until recently when I found a crapload of MIDI files to download, online. What I’d like to do is upload a MIDI file in an app such as Cubasis, turn the piano part off and play accompanied by the other instruments. Essentially, I don’t plan on recording/creating anything -just play alongside the other tracks (for now).
I can do this, but cannot control volume levels ie. bass is not loud enough or drums are too loud or all instruments are louder than my piano playing. I didn’t think that was too much to ask to be honest.
D.
Then a better option might be a midi-file player with simple track mute options?
Something like this maybe?
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/midi-file-player/id658197221#?platform=ipad
Will definitely give that a try. And only 3 bucks!,
If you want more MIDI control, try Xequence
http://www.seven.systems/xequence2
@Dzp111, wow... 40 years!... but sorry bud, got 60+ going in this battered bod. It’s great to have you here and I hope to hear what you’re up to. If you just want to play piano along with backup tracks, it’s none of my business... but with that experience you have and the joy, ease and affordability of iOS recording... damn, IMO you are missing some greatness.
Midi editing is so easy in Cubasis. All my stuff is improvised so removing that errant note here and there is pretty satisfying. And e ange of instrument and synth apps is inspiring. Maybe you’ll consider recording as well. Here’s an example I made this afternoon...
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/41731/love-will-out/p1?new=1
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Thank you for that. I was going to thank you for the ‘pep talk’ but it’s more than that, it’s more of an inspirational nudge. Your piece is lovely.. no.. mesmerizing is a better description. The piano and strings sounds impressed me a lot, not to mention the soft contemporary nuances.
I’ll take it one step at a time. Once I figure this app-MIDI thing, I believe I will explore.. and create.
Daniel
“ The iPad uses a class compliant driver built into ios. To use usb audio you need to use the vendor driver which only runs on a pc or mac. It was not written for iPads.”
I’ll be getting a 3.5 mm cable this week.
That is what I suspected, 'hell froze over' when Roland added USB Class Compliant Audio for the MC-101/707
I suppose you've already tried the Roland Piano Partner 2?
https://apps.apple.com/app/id1092347134#?platform=ipad
(It's good for midi playback etc. and it's free).
Cheers!
I only looked at it but I’m so involved with all of the other apps, I chose to skip it for now.
Have you tried it.
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I have no use for it since I don't own a Roland piano to use it with...
...but if I did I'd definitely keep it installed just in case
@Samu knows!