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Workflow for non-linear live type jams/ Tips-Tricks?
Hello all you beautiful people,
So I have been a linear daw guy for ages and I am finding that I am just stuck. I see a lot of you that just load up in AUM and go to town. I started something yesterday with LK and I had a very nice vibe going. I want to play in AUM or something contained in iOS (trust me I own them all). And do semi -sort of songs. So a few questions or if there are more YouTube I can consume great.....
Do you arrange anything or just jam out?
Do you write down or practice your sequence so that it flows properly? Example triggering the right scenes or tracks in LK?
I want to have some sort of direction with my tracks.
I think that I am making it too hard and I just need to flow and go ok that one is done, on to the next.
Cheers!!!!
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I normaly i load some Instruments and sequenzer patterns in AUM and play around with them. And then i refine it. I ad some more patterns maybe some more instruments as more idears pop up.
I normally go with a bassline, drums and 2 different leads. One lead for the A-part and one for the B-Part
One ting i like to do is to ad some pretty heavy effects to the instruments and use that for the variation so for instance first A part is dry and the second A part is wet.
I do make some kind of arrangement. Sticking to a plan helps me to develop my skills so that i don’t dance around like a happy little hippie. But one of the beautys of jamming in AUM is that you don’t need to make an arrangement. You can just switch patterns and mix your instruments as you like. I like to be somewhere in between the happy hippie and a disciplined musician.
( I fully recognize that there are many diciplined hippie musicians out there 😊. Pink Floyd is my all time favorit band 😉)
I try to make the same set up/workflow every time. Ch 1 bass, ch 2 drums, ch 3 lead 1, ch 4 lead 2 ect. The same thing with my midi mappings.
That way i can “transfer” the i practice I get in one song to another. Having a different Setup for every song would be like retuning your guitar for every song you learn to play.
HA!! Excellent 😂. Yes love the Floyd. Saw them live in 84-85...... sober and it blew my mind!!
@onerez
I saw them live in 1988. And it was my concert ever! So I can say that i had my mind blown too 😆.
It depends, sometimes I use templates for parts like sequencers or drums, to build some type of structure.
Other times, I'll add things one at a time to see how they work together, removing them if they don't work.
Sticking to some of the same synths helps, because you're not playing with the sound design too much.
AUM is ultimately a mixer, so bringing things in/out, sends, etc, helps to bring more variety to jamming.
On the questioning of ordering things, I do that before I record. If the order of certain sequences or drum patterns start working, I'll start listening where I should mute or fade out parts. Then hit record and hope it works out. 😂 Usually, I'll end up with multiple "takes" before I'm happy or ok with it.
Compared to linear DAW approach, which never really worked for me, this is more organic. In my Ableton days, I got tired of arranging midi / adding automation curves before committing to audio. Lots of overthinking for me. Now, I just listen and see where I end up. Maybe not songs per se, but still enjoyable.
@Lorichs may i ask what you use for your midi sequence patterns? Ta.
@auxmux
Thanks!!! This is me exactly. I would be on ableton drawing automation for days and never get anything set up. I am finding that recently I am coming up with some decent stuff just doing AUM jams.
I have a preset AUM session ready to go. This usually just has my master bus with fabfilter already loaded.
Then I scroll through my apps and start digging. Fx on Fx on Fx
AUM right now and moving forward is all I need. I can always take what I want and move it to Cubasis if I want to write it out. However, I enjoy the jamming / experimentation that can be achieved in AUM.
Uhhhf. Don’t mention the war 😆.
Like many people here i’m still on the quest for the holy grale of the AUM midi sequencer 😉. I use different sequencers for different purposes.
Note that my music is not melodic but more riff-based so short patterns usually cover my needs just fine.
Drums: normaly EG-pulse and its internal sequencer ( yesss live recording )
Monofonic: Rozetta Bassline
Polyphonic: StepPolyArp
In rare cases i use Atom. I really like the traditional piano roll and that I can live record but i miss the way I can change patterns like in the above mentioned apps.
Also Pure Acid is a frequent part of my jams and i use its internal sequencer.
I have just starting to look into LK and it might very well be what i’m looking for but it has been teasing me on various issues so we haven’t become friends yet.
But the cliplauncher is the way I wanna go.
I’m looking forward to Atom 2 like every body else 😊.
How do you move it to cubasis? Do you record the midi in cubasis or just the audio via IAA?
The answer is:
LK hosted in AUM.
Now there is even Ableton live export!
I like to work with several iPads connected via link (older one do the job fine) so everything is easy to hand and cpu overload is reduced. My preference is to use only apps that have their own built in sequencers like Groovebox, Pure Acid, Koala, Gadget, Ruismaker, iKaossilator, Figure etc.
Jam away and play with the effects you have dropped in, Start recording it all as you go as soon as something starts to emerge. I find that my sound shaping is done mostly with effects - I am definitely seeking the groove as I go.
Then airdrop the tracks onto one ipad for arranging in Blocs Wave (before sending to Launchpad) or something like Audio Evolution Mobile.
Be careful of becoming hypnotised and bewildered by your ‘happy accidents’.
Come to think of it you might like Remix Live - it has an audio clip launcher connected to an editable pattern sequencer.
@Lorichs cheers, I’ll look them up and not mention the thing thing again 😉
For jamming try routing sequencers into other midi effects.
For instance:
Route one instance of
Autony —> Cality
—> Aphelian
—> Mozaic
Each one of these can give you different phrasings. Use Brams LFO (or ArtKerns LFO) on a moderately slow and narrow S&H or square wave to pitch parts up and down — great for leads. Use Scalar or Mozaic scripts to restrict to a key, and to do any last in chain transposing of parts. Some tools like Cality have built in scale forcing capabilities and more such as probability and swing, others need Mozaic script.
Some other useful midi processing can be done with MIDI DeGhost and MidiGATES. If you sequence is to busy insert one of these into the chain and cut the number of notes triggered down. Cality can do the same thing and has the additional ability of not only pairing down the number of note triggered but also increasing their length and release time. DeGhost works really well with drums and can take a touch busy part and pare it down to a simpler but still interesting groove.
One trick is to cut all the midi triggers but one pipe that one trigger into MidiEcho and run an arp like runs of notes out of it, or pitch it down for mid voice melody or harmony. AUTONY —> MidiGATES —> MidiEcho. Put Polythemus in the chain before or instead of MidiGATES and set it on
4pockets SlowMoeffects and other pitch shifters can Audio gate effects can give you additional thickness and variety.
Record the parts into your favorite looper and trigger at will.
Also sequencing, triggering full audio files, can be done using drum sequencers like EGPulse and DIGIStix/DigiKeys.
Record the audio in AUM on separate tracks or you can record straight into Cubasis. I don’t use the latter option. Then arrange everything in Cubasis.
One suggestion I will make is to get off the grid. Try building phrases and play them rather than sequence. The little differences in timing when you play something rather than sequence it to the grid can be more interesting, serendipitous, and easier on the ears.
Yes! Too many people havd forgotttn what music was like before everything was quantized and locked to the grid.
Just jam Jesus
@iOSTRAKON
Tanks 😊