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MC-101 USB sampling

So I’ve been ignoring the MC series because 707 it’s a bit big and no batteries and the 101 was a bit limited for what I need.

But I see they have USB class compliant audio now, so I’m assuming I can sample via USB from iOS.

Can anybody confirm this?

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  • Oh, but you can sample as a loop track. Can you save that to card and load it in the drum kits and slice it the old fashion way with start/end points?

  • edited November 2020

    @alecsbuga said:
    Oh, but you can sample as a loop track. Can you save that to card and load it in the drum kits and slice it the old fashion way with start/end points?

    Basically you can import samples, but can't sample directly into the MC-101 like the MC-707.

    I know the MC-101 very well. Here's a huge info dump...

    You can put the MC-101 into storage mode and it functions as a USB SD card reader. Transfer samples from ipad to the card and then you can import them into the MC-101 as one shots in a drum track. Drum tracks can contain up to 16 sounds each and any of the 4-tracks in the MC-101 can be drum tracks. The maximum total memory for importing wav is around 12 minutes mono/ 6 minutes stereo.

    Looper tracks however work completely different. The looper tracks are live recordings directly to RAM, so the time is limited to only 60 seconds. BUT you can use them to consolidate and bounce tracks, moving beyond the MC-101's 4-track limitation. Also, looper tracks are bpm stamped, so you have pitchshift and timestretch. The big limitation of the looper track currently is that you can't export them as wav. It's just contained in the project when it's saved to the SD card. My first thought was to use the looper track to record, then export it back into the project as a one-shot, but that's a no-go.

    With all that said, you can record directly from ipad apps into a MC-101 looper track using the class-compliant drivers no problem. You only have 60-seconds to record. On the desktop, if you have a DAW that can route separate audio interfaces for input and output, you can also monitor a blank DAW track and record into the looper track from another audio interface...adding hardware audio inputs to the MC-101. That's good for adding live elements like vocals, percussion, guitar/bass, etc. Only 60-sec per project of course.

    The MC-101 can also be used as a hardware midi sequencer for ipad apps. That's cool, since it has TR-style step-sequencing, melodic SH/TB style step-sequencing and regular live sequencing with scale keyboard layout, probability, ratchets, etc. It's a powerful little box.

  • What are you syncing it with ?

    What app or hardware to sync/start/stop?

  • "My first thought was to use the looper track to record, then export it back into the project as a one-shot, but that's a no-go.”

    Yeah... that’s what I wanted to do. Bummer. I’ll skip it then. Thanks!

    I really like the synth engine and the workflow is not too shabby either, but the sampling part sucks. I don’t understand why we have these limitations in 2020...almost 2021 :disappointed:

    Heck my MPC1000 runs laps around this (with JJOS of course)

  • @RUST( i )K said:
    What are you syncing it with ?

    What app or hardware to sync/start/stop?

    I've used it with a bunch of different stuff: iOS, desktop, hardware. It's small enough to keep around on the desk. Most recently used the MC-101 with a SP-404 and SP-303 to add synth elements to lo-fi hiphop beats. The midi implementation is pretty standard in/out 5-DIN or USB, send/receive clock. The sequencer works kind of like a simpler version of Ableton's session view. Each track's patterns are contained as clips with follow actions.

  • edited November 2020

    @alecsbuga said:
    "My first thought was to use the looper track to record, then export it back into the project as a one-shot, but that's a no-go.”

    Yeah... that’s what I wanted to do. Bummer. I’ll skip it then. Thanks!

    I really like the synth engine and the workflow is not too shabby either, but the sampling part sucks. I don’t understand why we have these limitations in 2020...almost 2021 :disappointed:

    Heck my MPC1000 runs laps around this (with JJOS of course)

    Yeah, the MC-101 was not designed to be a sampler like an MPC. It's for laying down quick grooves, not sample chopping. Of course no MPC has anything like the Zen-Core synth engine inside. Different tools for different use cases. The MC-707 does live sampling and chopping, but I prefer the smaller footprint (1/3 the size), portability, and simpler nature of the 101.

  • Regardless of the lack of sampling the box, it’s a pretty dynamic piece of kit and well worth checking out

  • I guess I could get the second hand one I was eyeballing and see what it’s all about.
    At least I can transfer stuff from iPhone to it via usb and use the looper for guitars.

    Or get one from Thomann with a 30day return.

  • Ha, I’m so stupid. I can use my Samplist to chop stuff on the iPad into small wavs and put them in a folder on the MC.
    Thanks for the info guys!

  • @sippy_cup said:
    Regardless of the lack of sampling the box, it’s a pretty dynamic piece of kit and well worth checking out

    Agreed!

  • edited November 2020

    Yeah, just got it. It’s very cool. Way nicer than Circuit and I’d dare to say nicer than Digitakt.
    I really hoped I can edit more aspects of the synth sounds, but it is what it is...
    At least I can add samples and play them chromatically or in drum kits.

  • So anyone know if you can feed your 101 tracks into the ios device and then monitor the full mix back out of the 101? My new iphone doesnt have a headphone socket so I'm hoping to use the 101 as a full sound interface....

  • @alecsbuga said:
    I guess I could get the second hand one I was eyeballing and see what it’s all about.
    At least I can transfer stuff from iPhone to it via usb and use the looper for guitars..

    Hi. Can you use the looper for guitars?. From reading this post I thought it has no inputs and you can’t record into a looper track.

  • @tagoe76 said:
    So anyone know if you can feed your 101 tracks into the ios device and then monitor the full mix back out of the 101? My new iphone doesnt have a headphone socket so I'm hoping to use the 101 as a full sound interface....

    Yep. it shows up as a 2-in/2-out audio interface in 'generic' mode.

  • Appreciated. What a lovely little device...

  • So I’m connected, and can see signal going into iPad. But how do I monitor the usb loop back only? I’m hearing the mc101 tracks straight into the headphones as well as the usb mix.

    Thanks in advance!

  • @tagoe76 said:
    So I’m connected, and can see signal going into iPad. But how do I monitor the usb loop back only? I’m hearing the mc101 tracks straight into the headphones as well as the usb mix.

    Thanks in advance!

    Depends on what you're trying to do and what apps you're using. There are options on the 101 for USB mixout and probably routing options on whatever app. I don't think there's a way to mute the 101's internal tracks and have them still send output to USB since the 101 is only 2-in/2-out in this case. There's no separate busses for analog and digital outs. In my uses if I wanted to use AU synths in AUM for instance with 101, I just turn the 'D.USB Mixout" to OFF, do my sequencing, then record the ipad into a looper track. To add FX or strictly monitor the 101 you may need to set up some type of bus or pre-fader send inside the ipad.

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