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Which of the FabFilter apps are absolutely must-have?

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  • @tja said:
    @Luxthor You often use a Compressor for an effect, something that can be heared.

    But a Limiter shall just make sure that nothing clips, that you can reduce to the require bitdepth and have the fitting Dithering be added - yes, there are lots of more options, esp. in Pro-L2, but basically you should not hear the effects of a Limiter.

    Therefor, I think that the above information may irritate @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr instead of helping - he really should first watch some videos about mastering and limiting.

    Agree learn a bit on that is the right way. You can see what do a limiter watching to you level meters , you want to avoid the level to go to the Orange red part of you level meter but you want to feel an heavy kick or snare sound L2 can work that for you. Big sound without clipping. Just an example.

    Read and learn the links and advice are useful here

  • @tja said:
    @Luxthor You often use a Compressor for an effect, something that can be heared.

    But a Limiter shall just make sure that nothing clips, that you can reduce to the require bitdepth and have the fitting Dithering be added - yes, there are lots of more options, esp. in Pro-L2, but basically you should not hear the effects of a Limiter.

    Therefor, I think that the above information may irritate @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr instead of helping - he really should first watch some videos about mastering and limiting.

    Agree for @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr, intention was to help everyone here. And for limiter(Pro-L2), even wording on knobs is misleading, he really needs to learn everything from the inside out.

  • A question: won’t DDMF limiter or TB Barricade do just fine for most if not 99% of the time, unless you remix for Coldplay or Madonna?

  • edited June 2023

    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

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  • @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

  • @Luxthor said:

    @tja said:
    @Luxthor You often use a Compressor for an effect, something that can be heared.

    But a Limiter shall just make sure that nothing clips, that you can reduce to the require bitdepth and have the fitting Dithering be added - yes, there are lots of more options, esp. in Pro-L2, but basically you should not hear the effects of a Limiter.

    Therefor, I think that the above information may irritate @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr instead of helping - he really should first watch some videos about mastering and limiting.

    Agree for @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr, intention was to help everyone here. And for limiter(Pro-L2), even wording on knobs is misleading, he really needs to learn everything from the inside out.

    Thank you friends, much appreciated.

  • Hmmm, in my honest opinion, Toneboosters have similar high-quality effects for less price. That said, what Toneboosters doesn't have an equivalent for are Twin 3, Saturn 2 and Timeless 3. Definitely go with Toneboosters for everything else. TB Reelbus has recently become one of my favourite tape emulations once more.

  • I love the FF stuff but I only have the “creative” effects. So Twin3, Saturn, Timeless, and Volcano. All 4 are amazing and easily worth the price and then some. For EQs and Limiters, if AUM isn’t doing the job I usually default to TB stuff. excellent for the price and punches so far above their weight.

  • @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    I think Timeless is aptly named because the interface is so dang perfect and the ability to draw the taps and draw the 6 (!! even twin3 only offers 4) filters isn’t really offered anywhere else. They are the full filters too, with 11 different flavors of several filter types. If you are just looking for standard delay, fine it can do that easily, but it can do some really crazy stuff too.

    Both Saturn and Timeless feel like cheating, because you don’t really even need a capable synth to feed them to create amazing sounds. Run a gated square wave into Saturn for bass and gated sine or triangle into timeless for pads and leads and your actual timbre possibilities are still endless. It’s embarrassing how much time I have spent doing exactly this, but then twin 3 does output some nice waves even without the filters!

  • @geremy said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    I think Timeless is aptly named because the interface is so dang perfect and the ability to draw the taps and draw the 6 (!! even twin3 only offers 4) filters isn’t really offered anywhere else. They are the full filters too, with 11 different flavors of several filter types. If you are just looking for standard delay, fine it can do that easily, but it can do some really crazy stuff too.

    Both Saturn and Timeless feel like cheating, because you don’t really even need a capable synth to feed them to create amazing sounds. Run a gated square wave into Saturn for bass and gated sine or triangle into timeless for pads and leads and your actual timbre possibilities are still endless. It’s embarrassing how much time I have spent doing exactly this, but then twin 3 does output some nice waves even without the filters!

    Wholly agree with all of those points. Timeless and Saturn feel more like you’re making your own custom delay and distortion/saturation effects and I love that about it. The amount of control while still being accessible is huge for me. Not sure how I went without them in the first place. Definitely among the best possible music apps you can purchase on iOS. When you use them you just get the feeling your using premium software.

  • edited June 2023

    @geremy said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    The regular dials I have no problem with, the concentric dials are minor annoyance, but the assigning modulation to close targets, or choosing to delete one modulation among many I find terrible. Maybe it's because I'm using an 11" iPad


  • edited June 2023

    @HotStrange said:

    @geremy said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    I think Timeless is aptly named because the interface is so dang perfect and the ability to draw the taps and draw the 6 (!! even twin3 only offers 4) filters isn’t really offered anywhere else. They are the full filters too, with 11 different flavors of several filter types. If you are just looking for standard delay, fine it can do that easily, but it can do some really crazy stuff too.

    Both Saturn and Timeless feel like cheating, because you don’t really even need a capable synth to feed them to create amazing sounds. Run a gated square wave into Saturn for bass and gated sine or triangle into timeless for pads and leads and your actual timbre possibilities are still endless. It’s embarrassing how much time I have spent doing exactly this, but then twin 3 does output some nice waves even without the filters!

    Wholly agree with all of those points. Timeless and Saturn feel more like you’re making your own custom delay and distortion/saturation effects and I love that about it. The amount of control while still being accessible is huge for me. Not sure how I went without them in the first place. Definitely among the best possible music apps you can purchase on iOS. When you use them you just get the feeling your using premium software.

    Hmmm… I just read a few professional reviews of Twin 3, and the other version 3 creative 3 desktop versions. All the reviews are glowing over the top. I don’t have any of the 3 versions. The creative bundle of all 4 is $55 or $13.75 each.

    I might have to bite the bullet and just get it over with. None of them have been discounted this much to date.

    Sale is until July 1st I think. Gonna sleep on it. I love that the managed to keep the file sizes on all these remarkably low. Most under 7mb and Twin is only about 11mb.

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @Johanso said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @Johanso said:
    Since fabfilter are on discount again, can someone give updated recommendations for 'must-have' list

    Only you can make your own must have list, first buy them all! 😎

    Making music doesn't pay my bills, bruh, neither 25% dc helps to buy them all lol

    Do you use a Daw and whichever Daw ? Usually stock plug ins in good iOS Daw are ok if you are a beginner. If you want absolutely to mix like a more advances user or your daw haven’t food Fx for mixing like GarageBand you need a good EQ first, a Limiter and a Compressor.

    if you are a semi professional on a budget you can have very good ones at raisonnable price with tone Booster like TB Barricade app that provide you a very good li inter and compressor fort far less monney than to buy FF.

    If you are a bit audio amateur snobbish with a lot of money or a professional producer you can FF bundle for mixing and add some DMF EQ and compressor for the mastering.

    Honestly if you rent Logic Pro and are not a trained sound engineer you got all pro EQ. Limiter , Compressors that you can dream for 5 usd a month .

    If you go to other daw like GB, Cubasis …. Tonebooster is the way for you.

    If your have worked in a big recording studio and want the same feel and have good budget to spend on FF and DMF pricey products.

    I am not here to push people to buy a Ferrari when they can be happy with a decent BMW . You will enjoy the Ferrari only if you know how to drive a sport car.

    FF have also creative apps like vulvano etc…. and even a good synth twin 3 but if it is for mixing mastering tonebooster is nearly as good than FF.

    Hope it will help some people on a budget not buy what they don’t need and pay their bills rather than fuel their GAS.

    Thanks for well written detailed answer! I'm a beginner/amateur producer who's trying to keep gas in control and wait for things on my list to on discount first. I mainly use drambo and cubasis, tried logic but didn't like it that much even tho it's well made day with lots of features.

    I've read a lot of comments that saying tb is good as FF, but only thing people mostly suggesting and what tb lacking is dynamic eq, which FF has Q3 so that I was thinking to buy. I don't have much mixing/mastering apps except some Fac and other stuff, usually go for stock ones in cb3.

  • @Johanso said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @Johanso said:

    @Luxthor said:

    @Johanso said:
    Since fabfilter are on discount again, can someone give updated recommendations for 'must-have' list

    Only you can make your own must have list, first buy them all! 😎

    Making music doesn't pay my bills, bruh, neither 25% dc helps to buy them all lol

    Do you use a Daw and whichever Daw ? Usually stock plug ins in good iOS Daw are ok if you are a beginner. If you want absolutely to mix like a more advances user or your daw haven’t food Fx for mixing like GarageBand you need a good EQ first, a Limiter and a Compressor.

    if you are a semi professional on a budget you can have very good ones at raisonnable price with tone Booster like TB Barricade app that provide you a very good li inter and compressor fort far less monney than to buy FF.

    If you are a bit audio amateur snobbish with a lot of money or a professional producer you can FF bundle for mixing and add some DMF EQ and compressor for the mastering.

    Honestly if you rent Logic Pro and are not a trained sound engineer you got all pro EQ. Limiter , Compressors that you can dream for 5 usd a month .

    If you go to other daw like GB, Cubasis …. Tonebooster is the way for you.

    If your have worked in a big recording studio and want the same feel and have good budget to spend on FF and DMF pricey products.

    I am not here to push people to buy a Ferrari when they can be happy with a decent BMW . You will enjoy the Ferrari only if you know how to drive a sport car.

    FF have also creative apps like vulvano etc…. and even a good synth twin 3 but if it is for mixing mastering tonebooster is nearly as good than FF.

    Hope it will help some people on a budget not buy what they don’t need and pay their bills rather than fuel their GAS.

    Thanks for well written detailed answer! I'm a beginner/amateur producer who's trying to keep gas in control and wait for things on my list to on discount first. I mainly use drambo and cubasis, tried logic but didn't like it that much even tho it's well made day with lots of features.

    I've read a lot of comments that saying tb is good as FF, but only thing people mostly suggesting and what tb lacking is dynamic eq, which FF has Q3 so that I was thinking to buy. I don't have much mixing/mastering apps except some Fac and other stuff, usually go for stock ones in cb3.

    In Cubasis 3 you have as IAP the Waves bundles app at cheap price for 4 or 5 Wavs Fx very good pro brand . If you are an heavy user of Cubasis3 it can be an idea. If I a Don’t make mistake this is the only to buy Waves FX on.

    The draw back of IAP compared to plug ins app is that you can use IAP waves only in Cubasis , TB or FF can be uses with any Daw or AUv3 host as they are plugins.

    I think you will be happy with Tonebooster apps. They never get on sales as they are really cheap for such high level apps, so tonebooster policy is to set low target prices but never do discounts or sales.

  • @skiphunt said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @geremy said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    I think Timeless is aptly named because the interface is so dang perfect and the ability to draw the taps and draw the 6 (!! even twin3 only offers 4) filters isn’t really offered anywhere else. They are the full filters too, with 11 different flavors of several filter types. If you are just looking for standard delay, fine it can do that easily, but it can do some really crazy stuff too.

    Both Saturn and Timeless feel like cheating, because you don’t really even need a capable synth to feed them to create amazing sounds. Run a gated square wave into Saturn for bass and gated sine or triangle into timeless for pads and leads and your actual timbre possibilities are still endless. It’s embarrassing how much time I have spent doing exactly this, but then twin 3 does output some nice waves even without the filters!

    Wholly agree with all of those points. Timeless and Saturn feel more like you’re making your own custom delay and distortion/saturation effects and I love that about it. The amount of control while still being accessible is huge for me. Not sure how I went without them in the first place. Definitely among the best possible music apps you can purchase on iOS. When you use them you just get the feeling your using premium software.

    Hmmm… I just read a few professional reviews of Twin 3, and the other version 3 creative 3 desktop versions. All the reviews are glowing over the top. I don’t have any of the 3 versions. The creative bundle of all 4 is $55 or $13.75 each.

    I might have to bite the bullet and just get it over with. None of them have been discounted this much to date.

    Sale is until July 1st I think. Gonna sleep on it. I love that the managed to keep the file sizes on all these remarkably low. Most under 7mb and Twin is only about 11mb.

    I’d love to hear your thoughts if you do end up buying them. All 4 are amongst my favorite apps on iOS without a doubt. There’s some magic sauce in all of them.

  • @jwmmakerofmusic said:
    Hmmm, in my honest opinion, Toneboosters have similar high-quality effects for less price. That said, what Toneboosters doesn't have an equivalent for are Twin 3, Saturn 2 and Timeless 3. Definitely go with Toneboosters for everything else. TB Reelbus has recently become one of my favourite tape emulations once more.

    It’s not just Toneboosters, there are plenty of them on the iOS platform alone, but a new OP resurrected thread asking specifically about FF, so in the spirit of the thread I didn’t want to strain in different waters. ;) Agree with you, TB are phenomenally valued tools, they are even graphically close to the FF.

  • @Slush said:
    A question: won’t DDMF limiter or TB Barricade do just fine for most if not 99% of the time, unless you remix for Coldplay or Madonna?

    Even Sven-Ingvars and Larz Kristerz need Fabfilter plugs…

  • @geremy said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    I think Timeless is aptly named because the interface is so dang perfect and the ability to draw the taps and draw the 6 (!! even twin3 only offers 4) filters isn’t really offered anywhere else. They are the full filters too, with 11 different flavors of several filter types. If you are just looking for standard delay, fine it can do that easily, but it can do some really crazy stuff too.

    Both Saturn and Timeless feel like cheating, because you don’t really even need a capable synth to feed them to create amazing sounds. Run a gated square wave into Saturn for bass and gated sine or triangle into timeless for pads and leads and your actual timbre possibilities are still endless. It’s embarrassing how much time I have spent doing exactly this, but then twin 3 does output some nice waves even without the filters!

    The timeless interface is definitely not perfect because there are some things that are impossible to do in it with fingers, no matter how small, by FF's own admission. I forget now what they are as I decided to wait for an update that would fix this so haven't been using it. Needless to say, many months later, no fix has ever emerged and I doubt it ever will.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Slush said:
    A question: won’t DDMF limiter or TB Barricade do just fine for most if not 99% of the time, unless you remix for Coldplay or Madonna?

    Even Sven-Ingvars and Larz Kristerz need Fabfilter plugs…

    Their sound engineers use FF not these guys or Madonna or Coldplay. Usually sound engineers tend to use industry standard as they were trained on Pro Tools , FF and hardware mixer too.

  • @skiphunt said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @geremy said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    I think Timeless is aptly named because the interface is so dang perfect and the ability to draw the taps and draw the 6 (!! even twin3 only offers 4) filters isn’t really offered anywhere else. They are the full filters too, with 11 different flavors of several filter types. If you are just looking for standard delay, fine it can do that easily, but it can do some really crazy stuff too.

    Both Saturn and Timeless feel like cheating, because you don’t really even need a capable synth to feed them to create amazing sounds. Run a gated square wave into Saturn for bass and gated sine or triangle into timeless for pads and leads and your actual timbre possibilities are still endless. It’s embarrassing how much time I have spent doing exactly this, but then twin 3 does output some nice waves even without the filters!

    Wholly agree with all of those points. Timeless and Saturn feel more like you’re making your own custom delay and distortion/saturation effects and I love that about it. The amount of control while still being accessible is huge for me. Not sure how I went without them in the first place. Definitely among the best possible music apps you can purchase on iOS. When you use them you just get the feeling your using premium software.

    Hmmm… I just read a few professional reviews of Twin 3, and the other version 3 creative 3 desktop versions. All the reviews are glowing over the top. I don’t have any of the 3 versions. The creative bundle of all 4 is $55 or $13.75 each.

    I might have to bite the bullet and just get it over with. None of them have been discounted this much to date.

    Sale is until July 1st I think. Gonna sleep on it. I love that the managed to keep the file sizes on all these remarkably low. Most under 7mb and Twin is only about 11mb.

    Now that is a good deal, well worth snapping up

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Slush said:
    A question: won’t DDMF limiter or TB Barricade do just fine for most if not 99% of the time, unless you remix for Coldplay or Madonna?

    Even Sven-Ingvars and Larz Kristerz need Fabfilter plugs…

    Their sound engineers use FF not these guys or Madonna or Coldplay. Usually sound engineers tend to use industry standard as they were trained on Pro Tools , FF and hardware mixer too.

    Of course on Destop version FabFilters VST are X 5 Times the prices compare to FabFilters ones for ios. You need to consider that if you buy FF to use on Logic IPad and you want to use them too on Logic Mac OS.

    Personally I think that if you use as amateur Logic IPad you have for 5 usd a month very good EQ , Limiter and compressor at pro level. Of course a pro producer will had FF plugs in to Logic.

    I din’t know if it is true or not but sound engineers state that pro daws, on desktop , have stock plugins for mixing that can’t be use by sound engineers to reach pro industry standard if you don’t use FF tools.

    Myth ? Reality ? Never mind we are not professional sound engineers here just amateur.

  • @Luxthor said:
    When I learned Pro-MB, I did this as a reminder and for better understanding. Maybe it will be of some help here.

    @Luxthor I meant to ask you last time: did you make that graphic? It's really good - do you have any more like it?

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Slush said:
    A question: won’t DDMF limiter or TB Barricade do just fine for most if not 99% of the time, unless you remix for Coldplay or Madonna?

    Even Sven-Ingvars and Larz Kristerz need Fabfilter plugs…

    Their sound engineers use FF not these guys or Madonna or Coldplay. Usually sound engineers tend to use industry standard as they were trained on Pro Tools , FF and hardware mixer too.

    Of course on Destop version FabFilters VST are X 5 Times the prices compare to FabFilters ones for ios. You need to consider that if you buy FF to use on Logic IPad and you want to use them too on Logic Mac OS.

    Personally I think that if you use as amateur Logic IPad you have for 5 usd a month very good EQ , Limiter and compressor at pro level. Of course a pro producer will had FF plugs in to Logic.

    I din’t know if it is true or not but sound engineers state that pro daws, on desktop , have stock plugins for mixing that can’t be use by sound engineers to reach pro industry standard if you don’t use FF tools.

    Myth ? Reality ? Never mind we are not professional sound engineers here just amateur.

    And even then, not every music style needs pro industry standard. personally I kind of hate that word. For me it defeats the whole idea of anything underground, lofi, homebrew. It’s not anything I want to hear at 3am in the morning in a techno basement :)

  • @Slush said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Slush said:
    A question: won’t DDMF limiter or TB Barricade do just fine for most if not 99% of the time, unless you remix for Coldplay or Madonna?

    Even Sven-Ingvars and Larz Kristerz need Fabfilter plugs…

    Their sound engineers use FF not these guys or Madonna or Coldplay. Usually sound engineers tend to use industry standard as they were trained on Pro Tools , FF and hardware mixer too.

    Of course on Destop version FabFilters VST are X 5 Times the prices compare to FabFilters ones for ios. You need to consider that if you buy FF to use on Logic IPad and you want to use them too on Logic Mac OS.

    Personally I think that if you use as amateur Logic IPad you have for 5 usd a month very good EQ , Limiter and compressor at pro level. Of course a pro producer will had FF plugs in to Logic.

    I din’t know if it is true or not but sound engineers state that pro daws, on desktop , have stock plugins for mixing that can’t be use by sound engineers to reach pro industry standard if you don’t use FF tools.

    Myth ? Reality ? Never mind we are not professional sound engineers here just amateur.

    And even then, not every music style needs pro industry standard. personally I kind of hate that word. For me it defeats the whole idea of anything underground, lofi, homebrew. It’s not anything I want to hear at 3am in the morning in a techno basement :)

    I understand you , particularly for techno lo-fi basement 😆

  • @richardyot said:

    @Luxthor said:
    When I learned Pro-MB, I did this as a reminder and for better understanding. Maybe it will be of some help here.

    @Luxthor I meant to ask you last time: did you make that graphic? It's really good - do you have any more like it?

    I have more, almost of everything what I learned about, 😇 but in rough stage, enough for my eyes. This particular one, needed to be hardwired with my brain, also had the idea to send it to FF forum. Those graphs and layout are designed by me, icons and quotations are straight from the manual.  Goal was for that chart to be quick and understandable for anyone familiar with audio signal processing.

    Have few others in the making, especially one for Pro-L2, because that limiter is doing things not explained in the official tutorial and is misleading with naming.

  • @skiphunt said:

    @HotStrange said:

    @geremy said:

    @Grandbear said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Surprised Twin 3 not mentioned. I was considering that one. I really like Twin 2, but I have to use it within Auria Pro.

    However, I have so many synths and most of them are pretty wonderful in their own ways. I really don't need any more to be honest.

    I thought about Timeless 3 because I liked that one purchased within Auria Pro also, but I have so many other apps that do similar things now. I now mostly use Cascade for that I used to use Timeless for.

    I guess I don't really need any more apps at the moment. I only get them now as fun sound puzzles to figure out. Not to actually record anything.

    In the last year I've often found myself setting something up in AUM or apeMatrix and letting it loop in the background while I'm doing something else. Making my own soundtrack and not even bothering with recording or saving anything. Just pleasure. :)

    Any votes for Twin 3 since it's on sale?

    My take: great sound and flexibility, good presets. Painful UI, reading labels and especially targeting controls with a finger. I'm not sure yet how I feel about the "incremental" ("modular"?) display paradigm, which hides components that are not being used (for instance, unused oscillators are hidden).

    I’ll echo @hotstrange and say they are all awesome, and I absolutely love each UI.

    I especially love the twin 3 UI. There is a real next-gen feel to it…a bit of a learning curve but I don’t have an issue even with my fat fingers. I love that there are no submenus and everything is simultaneously visible, especially the modulation. In fact it is sometimes annoying that you can’t hide the effects, but I’m sure they want everything visible all the time and I respect that (which now that I’m thinking about does make the decision to hide unused oscillators weird). Twin 3 also has a next-gen preset system that is searchable and most of the presets are well documented with notes. I wish they would add this preset style for the effects as well.

    The fab filter learning curve (because it applies to all of their creative effects) is how to use the concentric dials (to adjust the outer dial you don’t need to touch the actual thin outer dial, just swipe a finger up down on either side of it) and modulation connections (just drop on the approximate center of what you’d like to modulate). Once you have that down it flows like water.

    I think Timeless is aptly named because the interface is so dang perfect and the ability to draw the taps and draw the 6 (!! even twin3 only offers 4) filters isn’t really offered anywhere else. They are the full filters too, with 11 different flavors of several filter types. If you are just looking for standard delay, fine it can do that easily, but it can do some really crazy stuff too.

    Both Saturn and Timeless feel like cheating, because you don’t really even need a capable synth to feed them to create amazing sounds. Run a gated square wave into Saturn for bass and gated sine or triangle into timeless for pads and leads and your actual timbre possibilities are still endless. It’s embarrassing how much time I have spent doing exactly this, but then twin 3 does output some nice waves even without the filters!

    Wholly agree with all of those points. Timeless and Saturn feel more like you’re making your own custom delay and distortion/saturation effects and I love that about it. The amount of control while still being accessible is huge for me. Not sure how I went without them in the first place. Definitely among the best possible music apps you can purchase on iOS. When you use them you just get the feeling your using premium software.

    Hmmm… I just read a few professional reviews of Twin 3, and the other version 3 creative 3 desktop versions. All the reviews are glowing over the top. I don’t have any of the 3 versions. The creative bundle of all 4 is $55 or $13.75 each.

    I might have to bite the bullet and just get it over with. None of them have been discounted this much to date.

    Sale is until July 1st I think. Gonna sleep on it. I love that the managed to keep the file sizes on all these remarkably low. Most under 7mb and Twin is only about 11mb.

    Now that is a good deal, well worth snapping up > @Slush said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Slush said:
    A question: won’t DDMF limiter or TB Barricade do just fine for most if not 99% of the time, unless you remix for Coldplay or Madonna?

    Even Sven-Ingvars and Larz Kristerz need Fabfilter plugs…

    Their sound engineers use FF not these guys or Madonna or Coldplay. Usually sound engineers tend to use industry standard as they were trained on Pro Tools , FF and hardware mixer too.

    Of course on Destop version FabFilters VST are X 5 Times the prices compare to FabFilters ones for ios. You need to consider that if you buy FF to use on Logic IPad and you want to use them too on Logic Mac OS.

    Personally I think that if you use as amateur Logic IPad you have for 5 usd a month very good EQ , Limiter and compressor at pro level. Of course a pro producer will had FF plugs in to Logic.

    I din’t know if it is true or not but sound engineers state that pro daws, on desktop , have stock plugins for mixing that can’t be use by sound engineers to reach pro industry standard if you don’t use FF tools.

    Myth ? Reality ? Never mind we are not professional sound engineers here just amateur.

    And even then, not every music style needs pro industry standard. personally I kind of hate that word. For me it defeats the whole idea of anything underground, lofi, homebrew. It’s not anything I want to hear at 3am in the morning in a techno basement :)

    This.i mean, it depends on the type of music you make, but I definitely have zero intention of making pop recordings of real musicians, singers etc. If you want to make weird, lofi stuff, or experimental radiophonic workshop style stuff you mostly do not need - or even want - 'Pro' tools. Pro, when not used simply as a nonsense marketing buzzword - which seems to be the most common, and most annoying use - simply means 'commonly used by engineers working in professional studios'. Most here don't have the time, skill, desire or need for fancy mixing and mastering tools. Most of us just want to have a bit of fun, unwind with the iPad after work, make something that's enjoyable to make and sounds decent enough.

  • @Luxthor said:

    @richardyot said:

    @Luxthor said:
    When I learned Pro-MB, I did this as a reminder and for better understanding. Maybe it will be of some help here.

    @Luxthor I meant to ask you last time: did you make that graphic? It's really good - do you have any more like it?

    I have more, almost of everything what I learned about, 😇 but in rough stage, enough for my eyes. This particular one, needed to be hardwired with my brain, also had the idea to send it to FF forum. Those graphs and layout are designed by me, icons and quotations are straight from the manual.  Goal was for that chart to be quick and understandable for anyone familiar with audio signal processing.

    Have few others in the making, especially one for Pro-L2, because that limiter is doing things not explained in the official tutorial and is misleading with naming.

    You should start and thread and post these, they could be useful to wider audience than just you :)

  • Personally, I think the pro word has no real meaning anymore and FF use that one a lot in their naming paradigm.

    Having said that, they are a great set of apps. Pro-R is a really nice reverb for creating atmosphere and space in the mix in a subtle way and Pro-Q3 is a solid and very useful utility tool. L2 is my default limiter. There are 2 delays I use lot in iOS - RE1 and Timeless. Between these two most of my delay requirements are met.

    If I was going to get one FabFilter app I would ask myself what I am really missing in my work flow and pick the appropriate app for the function. They are all quality apps and you can't really go too wrong. Whatever you do don't get too caught up with what is "pro" and what is not as that line gets blurred more and more everyday.

  • I never got Twin 3 when it was released. As someone who just uses presets, does this synth bring much to the table? I think I read that you can import a load of presets from the older synth, so it might be worth getting just for that as I seem to recall there were a good number of them.

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