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Marshall JCM800 Amp Sims Vs. Real Tube Amp
The Marshall JCM800 amp sims: Amplitube Brit 8000; Nembrini MRH810; TH-U NRG JCM 800.
(All sims go through an Ownhammer IR to match my cab - Electro-Voice EVM12L.)
The real amp: Sovtek Tube Midget 50H - a Russian made tube amp with the same circuitry as a Marshall JCM800 on the hi input channel.
Can you spot the real tube amp?
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Unless you recorded your cabinet with the exact same chain in the same environment as Ownhammer, there is no (few) amp difference to spot...
I don't know which is the real amp,but I like #2 the best. I notice that the level is a bit lower on it -- not sure to what extent levels are influencing what I hear. It might be worth separately normalizing each recording before compositing them together to take level out as a variable.
Amp 2 is the most vivid of them all and features some sounds (probably by reflections in the recording space) that aren‘t present in any of the others.
This makes it the candidate that was recorded „live“.
For a (typical) mix I‘d pick number 4, though... but that‘s a matter of taste... and unless the string buzz and tight sound of number 2 are the main idea. That‘s a very unique tone
Amp 1 is real
Well, really hate to dump cold water on this thread, but Joe didn't have a Strat copy with a whammy bar when he recorded that song, and the amp he used certainly wasn't a Marshall.
https://www.guitarworld.com/artists/the-secrets-behind-joe-walshs-tone-on-the-james-gangs-funk-49
Comparing a Sovetek midget 50 to a 100 watt Marshall JCM also seems a little bit of a reach to me.
To actually make a totally honest comparison, you kinda have to get a real JCM amp and A/B that against the virtual competition.
Sorry to be a Debbie-Downer. For some reason my Master's of Science cognitive thought process popped-up unexpectedly.
Carry-on! 😊
Hmm ... tough room.
All fair comments, I suppose ... but, as a fellow scientist, I sincerely felt my experiment was adequate enough to show how good these sims are getting, and to have a bit of fun at the same time. However, I studied Theoretical Physics, so I could be completely wrong. I'll just share the answers and move along ...
That‘s the way it goes... all my reasoning turned to bs
The Amplitube result is quite strange, given the same cabinet IRs were used and the type of amp model was the same.
But I agree about the close distance of the other 2 emulations to the real amp.
The latter (at least) being my choice by ear, so you certainly did a nice recording...
Sorry for that rant, @pbelgium. It was a good idea and (depending upon where you live) a real JCM800 can be very difficult to find.
It's nice to see the Amplitube sim was a favorite. They quite often get a bad rap on the forum, and I wonder if many of those dissing their amps are using the first generation sims and never upgraded.
I know Flo was thrilled with the Amplitube JCM included in the recent Joe Satriani signature collection.
It's based on Satch's Marshall JVM410HJS. That one has three modes per channel, independent noise filters and controls for resonance and re-bias presence.
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/satriani/
The settings that were used on the Amlitube example were quite different from the others (if the same guitar was used in all three). It was a lot less gainy/saturated than the amp and other sims in the test.
@espiegel123 I recorded the amp sims one after the other using the same guitar (American Standard Stratocaster) and the same input levels (Audient iD4). Amplitube was the only sim that I had problems with matching the Sovtek levels - when I matched LUFS it sounded louder than everything else, so I ended up just using my ears - outcome, the waveform is noticeably smaller, but the perceived volume was similar (to me). I may have had similar problems in my Bassman shootout (https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/40940/amp-sims-vs-amp-spot-the-real-tube-amp#latest) where, once again, Amplitube had an interesting tone which was also popular.
@SNystrom I have to say the Sovtek, which I picked up for a fraction of the price of a JCM800, does a pretty good Marshall crunch compared to Marshalls I've owned or played in the past - different tubes (6L6's vs. EL34's) give it a brighter sound, which I'm enjoying very much.
The level issue is easy to solve. Open your recording and select each section one at a time and normalize.