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Auria Pro....
Merry Xmas everyone.
Considering Auria Pro....
Wave Machine Labs You Tube channel..last video posted 5 years ago!?
Seems to be a lot more Cubasis chat here.
I would buy for audio editing, tempo change and effects plus 4GB library.
What’s the complaints about the midi editing I see online?
How does it handle Auv3s?
Auto tune options?
Thanks for any feedback.
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A lot of Auria power users here. Cubasis 3 was released recently (about a year) and that may have spurred the more recent talk. I also own Cubasis 3 but haven’t dug in yet.
I don’t have a problem with Midi - there was an update that addressed Midi issues about a year ago now. This app is still being updated
You have a retune plugin that you can buy in app for 5.99. All plug-ins are optimized for Auria.
AUv3 instruments work fine. I know others have had some issues.
You only get 4 AUv3 FX slots per track, and cannot rearrange them. May be good. Sometimes we work better within boundaries and are not paralyzed by indecision and over analysis (or over processing in this case).
Merry Christmas to you too!
I will add that you cannot record AU automation (which does work on Cubase etc) but it works well with the Auria optimized plug-ins, like Fabfilter
There are workarounds for the limited numbers of slots but I agree that this is not a strong feature of the actual app
Do you work a lot with audio files or mostly midi data ?
Do you need lots of aux and send?
Auria is the only option for working a lot with audio and when it comes to aux it is also the best tool. In iOS their is no DAW that can do it all. Sometimes you have to use more than one DAW to accomplish everything you need.
If you need more effects per Aux you can route the
Aux channels out to an external host and then route
them back into Auria Pro using Auria Pro's multi ports.
I use AUM for this.
In AUM you can have an aux channel strip that has
as many effects as you need then route them back.
I don't have Audiobus 3 but I'm sure you
can do the same thing with Audiobus.
Mixing is certainly one of Auria Pro's strong points.
I find general editing in AP not easy (select loop, midi, automation, ..) I am even considering Cubasis 3 for this...
So if you use a lot of loops instead of long audio wavs and want to edit a lot in the song arrangement, the job is simply not fun in AP.
If AP would have the editing capabilities of Xequence2, I would use AP all the time.
It's exactly like @ecou says it: no IOS DAW does it all.
I use AP in a final stage where I work with all imported audio tracks for mixing. AP is great for this.
You don’t need a external host for this. You can bus you track to another track or to a sub.
You could also use IK MixBox
Using an external host gets rid of the four effects
limit and provides far more flexibility and stability.
Does MixBox chain effects internally?
It isn't true that AU automation can't be recorded.in AP. AP records automation if plugins report touch information correctly. Some plugins don't. It has sample accurate audio and midi... not important to some but very important to others.
AP doesn't have any looped recording options.
It has a more flexible bus system (which also lets you get around the 4 fx per track limit.
AP has audio event crossfades.
MixBox is a rack is a Auv3 that contains 70 different effects. I think you can use up to 8 at a time.
https://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/mixboxipad/
That much I do know.
Can you use eight at a time simultaneously or in one single chain?
Would you mind explaining me what is sample accurate audio and midi vs what other daws do?
@ecou
I had a read of the documentation.
Thanks.
You can up to 8 of the 70 effects inside one instance of a Auv3 MixBox.
You can use as many instance of MixBox Auv3 as your device can handle.
Auv3 support is much, much better recently. Ive just started using it again with Imaginando’s LK to do all the midi and it’s a nice fit. I would defo avoid editing midi natively in AP until further notice.
I have heard complains about changing tempo in projects so give that a check if that is important to you.
I alternate between AP and Cubasis depending on my mood and they are both pretty great daws. Audio editing and mixing being APs strength and for me midi editing esp. automation in Cubasis
@Gravitas
yes you can add a Mixbox rack with multiple effects in one single AP effect slot
It means that f you have audio, there is no restriction on where your edits are and you can have midi notes at any time, Cubasis 2 had an undefeatable grid that was about 1/96th of a quarter note . The resolution is higher in Cubasis 3but I am not sure what it is. Desktop tops generally have very high internal time resolution.
As I said for some people it isn't important. For some it is.
Thank you! That grid in Cubasis 2 was very annoying.
Noticed that in the documentation.
Very useful.
Thanks everyone.
Currently working a lot with audio....may get it.
4 Auv3 effects slots per track or project?
IOSSOS.
4 inserts per track
AP was my first purchased DAW.
-I appreciate it's bussing flexibility and now you can record the audio of a bus channel in addition to being able to record the master out to a track in live time so that's a handy addition.
-I use BM3 a lot, but will still end up in Auria. if I had those sampler pads and Ableton Link in Auria I probably wouldn't need BM3 as much.
-The built in channel EQ, gates and compression are pretty handy and sound great.
-It has 8 dedicated sub channels with EQ, compression and limiting.
-Built in channel saturation.
-You can construct the equivalent of VCA mix groups.
-It has a master SOLO cancel switch, which would be nice in Cubasis and BM3. I know AUM has it.
-It's been designed well from a mixing point of view.
-I don't spend a lot of time editing MIDI - if I have a MIDI part recorded I like to keep it as untouched as possible.
I have got frustrated at times with it, but it is still being developed regularly and the little nuances appear to be getting fixed so it is still hard to beat. Also, you can run it pretty hard and it keeps it's stability. The other day I was pushing the CPU meter at 100% and there was no breakup in the audio.
-The PSP audio IAPs are pretty nice too.
-It's metering is pretty nice too. The master meter is detachable so that it is visible at all times and of a decent size.
-The onscreen faders are nice to use and become elongated for finer detail when you rotate the screen to portrait mode.
-You can use an external controller that uses the MCU protocol for fader and mix control.
-I'm sure there are a few other highlights I've missed.
-Audio channels can be made mono or stereo when created.
-Audio part editing is pretty decent too with fades and crossfades as well as audio warping capablities to move the timing of events in audio parts.
-The included FabFilter synths are good as well as the sample player and it has a built in convolution reverb.
-Editing resolution is decent.
I know there's more.....
I use Auria Pro for the stuff it has onboard that other daws don’t: PSP plug-ins, Fabfilter Twin2 synth, Salamander Piano, some very good drum loops and other onboard instruments. Also the Fabfilter Fx are built into Auria, I suspect it makes them operate with less crashes than adding a bunch of them to a daw via AUV3. The PSP channel strip(s) is great. Oh ya the editing and mixing are championship quality.
Other than that they’re all the same.
From my view
Advantages
Auv3 and IIA, if you like working with Groove/looping type apps you can load Beathawk/ Grooverider, Moodscaper.. and probably others right into and FX slot.
On my 9.7' ipad i can see about 13 tracks in the mixer view.
Tempo change
Handles importing midi files and guesstimating a sound patch from Lyra rather well.
I come from a MultiTrack tape, linear background. This app most closely resembles that, so I feel comfortable with it.
Disadvantages
-Lack of ability to RECEIVE MIDI CLOCK. For my personal workflow, I like to press the "Play" button on my keyboard, also use the tempo dial. This has lead me on a search for a better DAW, but no clear winner so far.
Timeline editing is klugy (is that a word?) Sometimes you have to zoom way in to see the clip editing handles. Makes things difficult.
Some Auv3 and IIA apps struggle. Some of this may have been fixed in recent updates. With the huge number of apps on IOS, who can expect every single one to work seamlessly together?
Great information...thanks.
MIDI learn?
Per channel! If one needs more effects, one can create channels on the mixer with the extra effects and chain the channels.
It’s nice and definitely has a desktop feel to it but I’d recommend using it for mixing/mastering stems and audio rather than creating an entire track for piano roll-heavy music such as EDM.
I find the piano roll very frustrating to use. Automation is easy to initially record but hard to edit because you must first scroll through all of the automatable parameters of the channel (which could be hundreds? It’s a lot!) in a short narrow scroll box window and find the specific parameters that are in white text rather than gray text. Once you find it you have to tap the automation points which, a lot of the times, simply don’t respond to your touch. And if you want to delete all of the automation then you must tap and delete each individual point or highlight all of them and delete the selected ones and hope that’s all of them. In other words, there is no working “delete all automation” option (at least there wasn’t one that worked for me).
The other frustrating thing is it tends to crash a lot for me when creating a song from scratch though this may have been fixed in the latest patches in November.
Other than that it’s the most professional traditional DAW-like app on iOS and has lots of potential. Some people on the forum have created albums with AP being the main hub so it’s definitely capable of great things as it is right now.
I just wish there was maybe one or two more people working on it and just focus on making the UI a bit cleaner and get rid of some redundancies.
In regards to using Auria Pro itself?
which is an entirely different topic from MixBox.
If you need a good solid traditional DAW then I would recommend Auria Pro.
It is the Pro-Tools of the iOS platform.
For mixing and Mastering it is my go to.
Especially for bringing in stems.
The editing is sample accurate with no hassle.
It has warp transient editing which no other DAW
on the iOS platform has as far as I know at this point
which is awesome when you need to align vocal takes
by hand for instance.
I've mentioned before that if PSP were to release
the eq on it's on I would be on that in an instant.
It's very musical and I really like the parallel compression
on the sub channels which is especially useful for drums.
There are auv3 compressors that can also do this but
one less external auv3 means I can load another.
When you use it for what it's good for?
You can achieve really good results with Auria Pro.
Please tell me, is there a way to buy a fully functional Auria Pro without bundled content - Lyra, Fabfilter synths, samples, and so on?
I already have a lot of au3 instrums & fx and not much hard drive space.
No you cannot. The fab filter stuff is a in app purchase but they most likely are already included in the install.
Thanks.